[grc] GRC 2016 Closing Note re: Detroit

Thu Oct 13 11:17:49 PDT 2016

Thanks Tom, another one of my heroes. But I don't think we need to answer or comment on any questions about WNUC. We read the document and know what's ahead. 

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  On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Tom Voorhees via grc<grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:   I just want to point out a few Detroit construction redness facts.

I am not taking a position on the 2017 GRC location, Detroit Vs in the
west.

The one remaining gating item preventing the start of construction today is
clearing away the zoning variance hurdle hole inadvertently fallen in to.

There are three of us experienced radio construction engineers committed to
getting WNUC on air very quickly.

The directional antenna is on site ready to be mounted and the required
licensed surveyor antenna pointing documentation has not been a problem on
previous directional station builds.

The building permit problem has been solved with a approved minor roof
strengthening plan which could be implemented starting today.

So construction could start the day after a zoning variance is approved by
the city of Detroit.

Tom.

> Joan & Co.:
> 
> I just want to clarify some things on my statement the other day.
> 
> Over the past 10 or so years, all of the predictions and forecasts for 
> LP-100 and the proposed LP-50 and LP-250 services showed that there was 
> never a chance that Detroit would ever get any kind of LPFM station. 
> There were some areas that would have qualified for LP-10 but not 
> without a lot of incoming interference. These predictions were always 
> based on the minimum spacing rules in §73.807 of the FCC rules.
> 
> However, through some creative engineering and waiver requests, the FCC 
> did grant an LPFM to the Detroit area.
> 
> With that said, this opportunity.. one that has defied the odds, study 
> after study will come to an abrupt end on May 20, 2017, which is the 
> deadline for WNUC-LP to be finished and on the air. There will be no 
> more extensions.
> 
> I did not support Detroit _for 2017_ for the following reasons:
> - First, planning an event like the GRC is a huge thing that does take a 
> lot of time. Time that will be taken away from the construction, 
> planning and programming of WNUC-LP. I don't want to see either the 
> construction and launch of WNUC-LP or the presentation of the 2017 GRC 
> get short-changed because resources are stretched between two very 
> important projects.
> - Second, I feel that we need to look at bringing the GRC further west 
> for one year. There are many LPFM and full-power NCE stations that are 
> further west that have not been able to easily access the GRC due to the 
> "easterly" locations of the most recent GRCs (Urbana, Palenville, Ames, 
> Hot Springs). We need something west of the Rockies. I personally 
> would like to see a GRC in Phoenix (or the neighboring city of Tempe). 
> Phoenix is an easy destination, road trippable for many in So. Cal, NM, 
> CO and NV and a major hub for both American and Southwest Airlines 
> (hence competitive/low air fares). It also has a lot of 
> reasonably-priced lodging along the light rail. Or, we can look at the 
> northwest. But I do feel that the west coast is long overdue for the GRC 
> to come back to them.
> 
> As of today,
> 66% of the granted LPFM authorizations in Oregon and California are 
> still construction permits
> 76% in Washington state
> These states are well above the national average of 49%
> I still need to look at these to see how many CP explorations we will 
> have between now and then but regardless, those stations that do build 
> and get going will definitely be able to benefit from the programs and 
> presentations that GRC provides.
> 
> With that said, assuming that WNUC-LP is successful in getting their 
> station up and going (which I have faith that they will), I would be 
> supportive of holding the *2018* GRC in Detroit. By this time, WNUC will 
> be up and running and will be able to share many success stories of how 
> the station has made an impact in their community.
> 
> I just also want to clarify that the comments that I made about some 
> minimum guidelines for city selection are just common criteria that some 
> use to select host cities for conferences and conventions. Especially 
> in the wake of the anti-LGBT legislation that has been passed in states 
> like North Carolina, Minnesota and Indiana, I want to be assured that 
> not only the host station (who would normally be very welcoming), but 
> the host community is welcoming of LGBT individuals in their town and 
> state. While we (LGBT) are in host communities, we contribute to the 
> local economy. We stay in hotels and eat in restaurants which in turn 
> generates sales taxes and keeps people working. Communities without a 
> non-discrimination ordinance do not provide the appropriate protections 
> that some members of our radio community will not be denied services and 
> accommodations and states like North Carolina that has a culture of 
> institutionalized anti-LGBT discrimination simply does not deserve our 
> money until these vicious laws are repealed.
> 
> As I specifically pointed out, Detroit does have appropriate 
> anti-discrimination ordinances that protect sexual orientation and 
> gender identity in public accommodations and housing so therefore, there 
> is no issue with Detroit.
> 
> So with that, it is my position (and keep in mind, I am only one person 
> and not representing the entire collective) that we consider a west 
> coast site for 2017 and Detroit for 2018. It is a win win for all.
> 
> =m
> 
> On 10/12/2016 7:48 PM, Ursula Ruedenberg via grc wrote:
>> Hi Joan,
>> 
>> At the final wrap up meeting we discussed a GRC in Detroit after you
> left
>> the call, (sorry about the timing - we did not know you had to leave
> and
>> were assuming you were there for the whole meeting). The discussion was
>> thoughtful, and measured and there was no question that there was a
> real
>> pro-active desire to have a GRC in Detroit from many and agreement from
> the
>> rest (except, as Michi has pointed out, from her).
>> 
>> There was agreement to express was our desire that you post an
> intention to
>> host, with the understanding that if you feel it is too soon in
> relation to
>> the work you are doing to launch, postponing does not mean canceling
> future
>> dates.
>> 
>> Solidarity was expressed for WNUC getting on the air and interest in
>> helping if possible. The only real lasting concern held by the room was
>> timing - a general desire was expressed that the decision intention to
> host
>> be publicly made by January or February, to allow planning, since short
>> notice is prohibitive for small poor organizations, that we all are.
>> 
>> The meeting was sizable so if you end up hearing and focusing on the
> one
>> "nay" in the group, you will literally not be responding to everyone
> else
>> in the room who were all sincerely was in favor of it. A lot of us see
> this
>> as an opportunity personally, professionally, and for valuable
> development
>> of the collective consciousness of the conference. There is no doubt
> that
>> your team is already connected to the community in ways we all could
> learn
>> from.
>> 
>> I am not ignoring the fact that you have said you are withdrawing but
>> still. In hopes you consider this and I personally hope things can stay
>> open to possibility; I'd like to see all the good things happen.
>> 
>> Ursula Ruedenberg
>> One GRC attendee
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Joan Ross via grc
> <grc at maillist.peak.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Paul and to others expressing such a cheer for Detroit. We have
>>> been considering that. But certainly know that there are others that
> are
>>> looking for more of a vacation spot. Currently we are involved in some
>>> historic advocacy work. In just a few short weeks, we'll be free to
> discuss
>>> this possibility more with folks like yourself and the alumni of GRC.
>>> Don't count us OUT just yet. Rev. Joan C. Ross
>>> Director, North End Woodward Community Coalition (NEWCC)
>>> Acting Station Manager,
>>> WNUC-lp 96.7 FM Detroit Community Radio7700 Second AvenueDetroit,
> Michigan
>>> 48202248-565-6572www.northendwoodward.org
>>> www.wnuc.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Danny via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
>>> To: grc at maillist.peak.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 6:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [grc] GRC 2016 Closing Note re: Detroit
>>> 
>>> For many great reasons, Detroit would be an awesome place to host a
> future
>>> GRC!
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: grc [mailto:grc-bounces at maillist.peak.org] On Behalf Of Paul
> Bame
>>> via
>>> grc
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 3:45 PM
>>> To: grc at maillist.peak.org
>>> Subject: [grc] GRC 2016 Closing Note re: Detroit
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Based on inquiry from Detroit, we agreed that Detroit WNUC-LP would be
> a
>>> great place for a future Grassroots Radio Conference, and that we
> might
>>> even
>>> be able to help build stuff or knowledge while at such a conference.
> When
>>> WNUC-LP is ready, we welcome their invitation on this list and
> connecting
>>> them to the historical memory and resources which exist.
>>> 
>>> -Paul (pablito) Bame, Prometheus Radio Project
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