[grc] Programmers promoting personal Patreon page on their LPFM show

[Michelle Bradley]

I have to agree, this is very problematic.  It can also be seen as third 
party fundraising, which is allowed under specific conditions and all 
activity has to be logged.

Using the air shift for a specific personal gain can definitely be seen 
as "plugola" as Paul suggests.

The air staff should be promoting THE STATION.  They should only be 
permitted to give a fundraising page on the official station website. 
Airstaff needs to remember that without those donations coming on the 
air, the station would not be able to remain on the air and if the 
station goes, then so does their "show".    If the (volunteer) air staff 
can't be supportive of efforts to support the station, then they are a 
burden and should be shown the door.

=m




On 5/2/2018 9:21 AM, Bill Simmon via grc wrote:
> Interesting. The wording of the ask is problematic because it is pretty
> clearly within the "call to action" sort of language that is prohibited for
> noncommercial stations. It's interesting that they don't actually say the
> Patreon subscriptions support the radio show -- like what if it was to
> support the creative work that the DJs do generally, and not just limited
> to the show? The policies at our station would probably allow for it if it
> was less direct, like "We do a lot of cool creative stuff and we are
> supported in this effort by members of our community. You can learn more at
> patreon.org/ourgreatshow!"
>
> The language "for as little as $1/month" is definitely a no-no. That would
> get someone kicked off the air at our station if there was any pushback
> after being told not to do it. Good luck!
>
> Bill
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> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:22 AM, David Goodman via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org
>> wrote:
>> Well, you've discovered the holy grail for every independent producer and
>> the pandora's box for every station manager. Here's the thing: you run a
>> non-commercial station, right? When you fund raise over the air and offer
>> premiums, the STATION as a whole benefits, yes? Who is benefiting from
>> these calls to "sign up;" just them, correct?
>>
>> Your organization should have by-laws outlining what it means to be
>> non-commercial.
>>
>> Good luck. Asking people to stop doing something is never easy.
>>
>> cheers, dg
>>
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>> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Danny via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have new programmers that aired this the other day on our LPFM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "If you would like to support our creative endeavors and the expansion of
>>> our offerings, consider subscribing to our Patreon at
>>> Patreon.com/[redacted]. You can subscribe for as little as $1/month and
>> we
>>> have cool rewards available."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems to me this is problematic on multiple levels like FCC rules,
>>> non-profit status and just setting a horrible precedent for programmers
>> to
>>> all start directly monetizing their shows.  And FWIW, they flipped out
>> when
>>> we asked them to stop doing this, which strongly suggests this is central
>>> to
>>> their show and to me smacks of airing an infomercial at best.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts???
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