From mike at brownbroadcast.com Thu Apr 1 12:26:16 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 12:26:16 -0700 Subject: [grc] SCOTUS ruling on media ownership rules (FCC v. Prometheus Radio) Message-ID: <00c001d7272c$e2efce50$a8cf6af0$@brownbroadcast.com> Wish it was an April Fools joke. https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-owner ship-rules/ https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanim ously-upholds-fcc-s-loosening- https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-1231_i425.pdf Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 From pbame at prometheusradio.org Thu Apr 1 12:28:04 2021 From: pbame at prometheusradio.org (Paul Bame) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:28:04 -0400 Subject: [grc] SCOTUS ruling on media ownership rules (FCC v. Prometheus Radio) In-Reply-To: <00c001d7272c$e2efce50$a8cf6af0$@brownbroadcast.com> References: <00c001d7272c$e2efce50$a8cf6af0$@brownbroadcast.com> Message-ID: and from one of our lawyers: http://uccmediajustice.org/p/salsa/web/blog/public/?blog_entry_KEY=7839 Paul (pablito) Bame Prometheus Radio Project , Engineering Director 215.727.9620 x2 N0KCL/3 On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:26 PM Michael D. Brown via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > Wish it was an April Fools joke. > > > > > https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-owner > ship-rules/ > > > > > > https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanim > ously-upholds-fcc-s-loosening- > > > > > https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-1231_i425.pdf > > > > > > Michael D. Brown > Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. > mike at brownbroadcast.com ? . > brownbroadcast.com> www.brownbroadcast.com > offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From communitynews at wimberleyvalleyradio.org Thu Apr 1 13:25:17 2021 From: communitynews at wimberleyvalleyradio.org (Susan Raybuck) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 15:25:17 -0500 Subject: [grc] SCOTUS ruling on media ownership rules (FCC v. Prometheus Radio) In-Reply-To: References: <00c001d7272c$e2efce50$a8cf6af0$@brownbroadcast.com> Message-ID: <0A921708-9616-4E14-8FCF-F4717B237ADF@wimberleyvalleyradio.org> If anyone would like to join me in urging the president to swiftly fill the vacancy on the FCC with a strong consumer advocate with a background in working on media policy issues, here?s a link to the White House?s contact page. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ At the Zoom meeting on US Media Bias and Propaganda: How Did We Get Here? Where Do We Go from Here? with Jen Senko, Jeff Cohen, and Sue Wilson Tuesday evening, they pointed out that the FCC has an open seat and President Biden hasn?t announced his appointment for that seat yet. Seeing Pablito?s news, I was moved to get on the stick and write him. If he wants to restore the soul of our nation, he?s going to need to craft media policy that supports democracy. Especially after SCOTUS?s decision today. Just fyi, there was excellent energy at that meeting, which I?m also seeing in a mixed group of conservatives and liberals (Braver Angels Media Action Group) I?ve been working with. After the formal discussion, the idea of considering organizing another National Conference on Media Reform was floated to capitalize on the surge in concern over the issue. (I?ve got my fingers crossed!) Susan Susan Raybuck Board Member & Secretary KWVH-LP ? Wimberley Valley Radio Wimberley, Texas > On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Paul Bame via grc wrote: > > and from one of our lawyers: > http://uccmediajustice.org/p/salsa/web/blog/public/?blog_entry_KEY=7839 > > Paul (pablito) Bame > Prometheus Radio Project >, Engineering Director > 215.727.9620 x2 > N0KCL/3 > > > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:26 PM Michael D. Brown via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org > wrote: > >> Wish it was an April Fools joke. >> >> >> >> >> https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-owner >> ship-rules/ >> > >> >> >> >> >> https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanim >> ously-upholds-fcc-s-loosening- >> > >> >> >> >> https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-1231_i425.pdf >> >> >> >> >> >> Michael D. Brown >> Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. >> mike at brownbroadcast.com ? > . >> brownbroadcast.com> www.brownbroadcast.com >> offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From registration at kboo.org Thu Apr 1 14:18:42 2021 From: registration at kboo.org (GRC Registration Crew) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:18:42 -0700 Subject: [grc] SCOTUS ruling on media ownership rules (FCC v. Prometheus Radio) In-Reply-To: <0A921708-9616-4E14-8FCF-F4717B237ADF@wimberleyvalleyradio.org> References: <00c001d7272c$e2efce50$a8cf6af0$@brownbroadcast.com> <0A921708-9616-4E14-8FCF-F4717B237ADF@wimberleyvalleyradio.org> Message-ID: Done: Please fill the empty FCC seat quickly, appointing a strong consumer advocate with a background of working on media policy issues, who champions public/community media. If you want to restore the soul of our nation, you need to craft media policy that supports democracy. Today's SCOTUS decision (FCC v. Prometheus Radio) will surely bring more media consolidation and less oversight regarding marginalized communities. On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 1:25 PM Susan Raybuck via grc wrote: > If anyone would like to join me in urging the president to swiftly fill > the vacancy on the FCC with a strong consumer advocate with a background in > working on media policy issues, here?s a link to the White House?s contact > page. https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ < > https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/> > > At the Zoom meeting on US Media Bias and Propaganda: How Did We Get Here? > Where Do We Go from Here? > with Jen Senko, Jeff Cohen, and Sue Wilson Tuesday evening, they pointed > out that the FCC has an open seat and President Biden hasn?t announced his > appointment for that seat yet. Seeing Pablito?s news, I was moved to get on > the stick and write him. If he wants to restore the soul of our nation, > he?s going to need to craft media policy that supports democracy. > Especially after SCOTUS?s decision today. > > Just fyi, there was excellent energy at that meeting, which I?m also > seeing in a mixed group of conservatives and liberals (Braver Angels Media > Action Group) I?ve been working with. After the formal discussion, the idea > of considering organizing another National Conference on Media Reform was > floated to capitalize on the surge in concern over the issue. (I?ve got my > fingers crossed!) > > > Susan > > Susan Raybuck > > Board Member & Secretary > KWVH-LP ? Wimberley Valley Radio > Wimberley, Texas > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:28 PM, Paul Bame via grc > wrote: > > > > and from one of our lawyers: > > http://uccmediajustice.org/p/salsa/web/blog/public/?blog_entry_KEY=7839 > > > > > Paul (pablito) Bame > > Prometheus Radio Project http://prometheusradio.org/>>, Engineering Director > > 215.727.9620 x2 > > N0KCL/3 > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 3:26 PM Michael D. Brown via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org > wrote: > > > >> Wish it was an April Fools joke. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-owner > < > https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-owner > > > >> ship-rules/ > >> < > https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-ownership-rules/ > < > https://www.scotusblog.com/2021/04/court-upholds-fccs-changes-to-media-ownership-rules/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanim > < > https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanim > > > >> ously-upholds-fcc-s-loosening- > >> < > https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanimously-upholds-fcc-s-loosening- > < > https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/archive/story/206025/supreme-court-unanimously-upholds-fcc-s-loosening- > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-1231_i425.pdf > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Michael D. Brown > >> Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. > >> mike at brownbroadcast.com ? < > http://www > >> . > >> brownbroadcast.com> www.brownbroadcast.com > >> offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grc mailing list > >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc < > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc> > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- Zale Chadwick Betty McArdle *pronouns: she/her* Registration Crew Grassroots Radio Conference 2018 From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 11:11:57 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 11:11:57 -0700 Subject: [grc] Heartland Stories This Week Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:DR. SAMINA RAJA, CHANGING FOOD SYSTEMS Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Dr. Samina Raja, Changing Food Systems Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: This week Theresa speaks with Dr. Samina Raja, professor of urban planning, associate dean for research and inclusive excellence, principal investigator of theFood Systems Planning and Healthy Communities Lab(the Food Lab), andco-director of UB's Community for Global Health Equity (CGHE), focuses on understanding the role of planning and policy in building sustainable food systems and healthy communities. Dr. Samina Raja Notes: Credits: Heartland Radio: Cultivating Change. Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Stories is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Episodes are available on Audioport. Search for Heartland Stories or follow this link: http://audioport.org/index.php?op=series&series=Heartland+Stories Or on our Podcast page: https://heartlandstories.libsyn.com/ Theresa Marquez, Host Topics Family Farm | Organic Farming | Food Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:03 04-04-21 13:10 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 04-04-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:03 heartlandstories04042021 192Kbps mp3 (39.84MB) Stereo [image: Download] 0 -- Charlie Knower 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com From gm at artxfm.com Thu Apr 8 08:27:55 2021 From: gm at artxfm.com (Sharon Scott) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 11:27:55 -0400 Subject: [grc] TONIGHT: GRC Monthly Meetup - A Conversation w/ Dr. MarkAlain Dery, WHIV. Coronavirus & Community Radio In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: Hello GRC Community Members! This April we are proud to welcome Dr. MarkAlain Dery back to the Virtual GRC for an update on the Covid-19 Pandemic and nationwide vaccination efforts. Discussion Topics will focus on community radio broadcasting and methods for safely and effectively serving our listeners during this critical moment. Dr. Dery is an infectious diseases physician and epidemiologist working as the Chief Innovation Officer for Access Health Louisiana. He is also the founder of WHIV-LP New Orleans community radio dedicated to human rights and social justice. Community radio advocates will recognize Dr. Dery from NoiseFilter, a daily program dedicated to providing updates and the latest information on the Covid-19 pandemic. The show is available to noncommercial broadcasters nationwide through Pacifica's Audioport. NoiseFilter website https://www.filternoise.com/ NoiseFilter on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/noisefiltershow EVENT: Apr 8, 2021 08:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/88266152730?pwd=d2lmQ3VpM3IwTXNPRno3ZkcxWmVKdz09 Meeting ID: 882 6615 2730 Passcode: 327027 One tap mobile +13017158592,,88266152730#,,,,327027# US (Washington DC) +13126266799,,88266152730#,,,,327027# US (Chicago) Dial by your location +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 669 900 9128 US (San Jose) Meeting ID: 882 6615 2730 Passcode: 327027 xox, Lady Jam Turn up the Juice every Friday from 3-5pm on 97.1 WXOX Louisville, or stream live at www.artxfm.com [1] Links: ------ [1] http://www.artxfm.com From StationManager at kyrs.org Thu Apr 8 11:45:08 2021 From: StationManager at kyrs.org (Michael Moon Bear) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 13:45:08 -0500 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: Hi! Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods are you using to provide this? --- Keep The Beat Alive! - Michael KYRS Station Manager 509.624.7573 cell 509.747.3012 extension 5 office KYRS Thin Air Community Radio Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM KYRS.org Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt From duncan at kxci.org Thu Apr 8 11:57:23 2021 From: duncan at kxci.org (Duncan Hudson) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:57:23 -0700 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: Hello Michael, We use Spinitron and they came up with an excellent alternative that exists right in the playlists that we were already displaying. It has more flexibility and works better for playback than RFA, from our perspective. If you are already using Spinitron it is a small increase cost. Best, Duncan - Duncan Hudson MD KXCI-FM 220 S. 4th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85701 520.623.1000 ext16 duncan at kxci.org http://www.kxci.org On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:45 AM Michael Moon Bear via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > Hi! > > Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about > solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an > archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods are > you using to provide this? > > --- > Keep The Beat Alive! > > - Michael > KYRS Station Manager > 509.624.7573 cell > 509.747.3012 extension 5 office > > KYRS Thin Air Community Radio > Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM > KYRS.org > > Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 > > Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From chase.spross at xray.fm Thu Apr 8 12:10:16 2021 From: chase.spross at xray.fm (Chase Spross) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:10:16 -0700 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: Hello from Portland Duncan, you may not remember but you gave me an impromptu tour when I dropped into the KXCI studios a few years ago, thanks for that! XRAYfm in Portland is using Creek (creek.org) to publish archives, we record with a homebrew and the Creek software automatically pushes audio to the site. C On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:57 AM Duncan Hudson via grc wrote: > Hello Michael, > We use Spinitron and they came up with an excellent alternative that exists > right in the playlists that we were already displaying. > It has more flexibility and works better for playback than RFA, from our > perspective. If you are already using Spinitron it is a small increase > cost. > Best, Duncan > - > Duncan Hudson > MD KXCI-FM > 220 S. 4th Ave. > Tucson, AZ 85701 > 520.623.1000 ext16 > duncan at kxci.org > http://www.kxci.org > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:45 AM Michael Moon Bear via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about > > solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an > > archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods are > > you using to provide this? > > > > --- > > Keep The Beat Alive! > > > > - Michael > > KYRS Station Manager > > 509.624.7573 cell > > 509.747.3012 extension 5 office > > > > KYRS Thin Air Community Radio > > Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM > > KYRS.org > > > > Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 > > > > Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- *Chase Spross* Station Manager // XRAY.FM // KXRY 91.1 & 107.1 FM 503-233-2700 Schedule a time to meet with me https://calendly.com/chase-spross "Portland's best independent radio station" -- *Thrillist, *2017 One the "14 Best radio stations you can stream online" -- *Digital Trends, *2017 "Best of Portland " -- *Willamette Week* 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019 "Second Best of Portland" -- *Willamette Week 2020* "The city's best all-around station" --* Portland Mercury*, 2017 From advisor at kcsb.org Thu Apr 8 13:23:57 2021 From: advisor at kcsb.org (Ted Coe) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:23:57 -0700 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: My station's DJs and other hosts at KCSB-FM (in Santa Barbara, CA) already seem to appreciate the Spinitron's new "Ark" archival platform, as a substitute for RFA. You can get it for a nominal monthly fee. So I can second the points made by Duncan from KXCI in Tucson! *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | e. advisor at kcsb.org * On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:57 AM Duncan Hudson via grc wrote: > Hello Michael, > We use Spinitron and they came up with an excellent alternative that exists > right in the playlists that we were already displaying. > It has more flexibility and works better for playback than RFA, from our > perspective. If you are already using Spinitron it is a small increase > cost. > Best, Duncan > - > Duncan Hudson > MD KXCI-FM > 220 S. 4th Ave. > Tucson, AZ 85701 > 520.623.1000 ext16 > duncan at kxci.org > http://www.kxci.org > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:45 AM Michael Moon Bear via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about > > solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an > > archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods are > > you using to provide this? > > > > --- > > Keep The Beat Alive! > > > > - Michael > > KYRS Station Manager > > 509.624.7573 cell > > 509.747.3012 extension 5 office > > > > KYRS Thin Air Community Radio > > Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM > > KYRS.org > > > > Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 > > > > Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From zarazcollectionfb at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 15:44:48 2021 From: zarazcollectionfb at gmail.com (Bruce Greif) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:44:48 -0400 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: do any of these services, or another allow the LISTENER to schedule their favorite shows ? ie "here are my 5 favorite shows" "schedule them so i can listen one after another, back to back" "stop when i need to, and resume where i left off" tx On 4/8/21, Ted Coe via grc wrote: > My station's DJs and other hosts at KCSB-FM (in Santa Barbara, CA) already > seem to appreciate the Spinitron's new "Ark" archival platform, as a > substitute for RFA. You can get it for a nominal monthly fee. > > So I can second the points made by Duncan from KXCI in Tucson! > > *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | > e. advisor at kcsb.org * > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:57 AM Duncan Hudson via grc > > wrote: > >> Hello Michael, >> We use Spinitron and they came up with an excellent alternative that >> exists >> right in the playlists that we were already displaying. >> It has more flexibility and works better for playback than RFA, from our >> perspective. If you are already using Spinitron it is a small increase >> cost. >> Best, Duncan >> - >> Duncan Hudson >> MD KXCI-FM >> 220 S. 4th Ave. >> Tucson, AZ 85701 >> 520.623.1000 ext16 >> duncan at kxci.org >> http://www.kxci.org >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:45 AM Michael Moon Bear via grc < >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> > Hi! >> > >> > Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about >> > solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an >> > archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods are >> > you using to provide this? >> > >> > --- >> > Keep The Beat Alive! >> > >> > - Michael >> > KYRS Station Manager >> > 509.624.7573 cell >> > 509.747.3012 extension 5 office >> > >> > KYRS Thin Air Community Radio >> > Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM >> > KYRS.org >> > >> > Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 >> > >> > Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grc mailing list >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- Bruce Greif 516 887-9999 The Lilliput Observer / Zaraz 80 Broadway,Lynbrook,NY 11563 From advisor at kcsb.org Fri Apr 9 08:45:05 2021 From: advisor at kcsb.org (Ted Coe) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 08:45:05 -0700 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: They aren't VCRs. Time shifting with Ark doesn't work like that, and didn't with RFA either. That said, if a Spinitron schedule grid is in order, it'd be easy to find your favorite shows and to select the broadcasts one wants to hear. (Per DMCA rules, though, only two weeks worth of music shows will ever be available.) There's no fast forwarding or rewinding either, also per the DMCA, and my experience is that the players recall where you leave off, for individual programs, if you go back to them. But I don't know if it's in perpetuity The Spinitron folks are great at asking questions, though, if one would like to go more into depth about Ark... Good luck! *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | e. advisor at kcsb.org * On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 3:44 PM Bruce Greif wrote: > do any of these services, or another > allow the LISTENER to schedule their favorite shows ? > ie > "here are my 5 favorite shows" > "schedule them so i can listen one after another, back to back" > "stop when i need to, and resume where i left off" > tx > > On 4/8/21, Ted Coe via grc wrote: > > My station's DJs and other hosts at KCSB-FM (in Santa Barbara, CA) > already > > seem to appreciate the Spinitron's new "Ark" archival platform, as a > > substitute for RFA. You can get it for a nominal monthly fee. > > > > So I can second the points made by Duncan from KXCI in Tucson! > > > > *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | > > e. advisor at kcsb.org * > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:57 AM Duncan Hudson via grc > > > > wrote: > > > >> Hello Michael, > >> We use Spinitron and they came up with an excellent alternative that > >> exists > >> right in the playlists that we were already displaying. > >> It has more flexibility and works better for playback than RFA, from our > >> perspective. If you are already using Spinitron it is a small increase > >> cost. > >> Best, Duncan > >> - > >> Duncan Hudson > >> MD KXCI-FM > >> 220 S. 4th Ave. > >> Tucson, AZ 85701 > >> 520.623.1000 ext16 > >> duncan at kxci.org > >> http://www.kxci.org > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:45 AM Michael Moon Bear via grc < > >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > >> > Hi! > >> > > >> > Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about > >> > solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an > >> > archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods are > >> > you using to provide this? > >> > > >> > --- > >> > Keep The Beat Alive! > >> > > >> > - Michael > >> > KYRS Station Manager > >> > 509.624.7573 cell > >> > 509.747.3012 extension 5 office > >> > > >> > KYRS Thin Air Community Radio > >> > Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM > >> > KYRS.org > >> > > >> > Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 > >> > > >> > Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > grc mailing list > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grc mailing list > >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > > > -- > Bruce Greif > 516 887-9999 > The Lilliput Observer / Zaraz > 80 Broadway,Lynbrook,NY 11563 > From advisor at kcsb.org Fri Apr 9 08:46:02 2021 From: advisor at kcsb.org (Ted Coe) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 08:46:02 -0700 Subject: [grc] Programming Archive In-Reply-To: References: <3E2FA559-854E-4112-A0F3-9009FE318706@artxfm.com> <153C5F53-82B9-42B0-9F24-0A685E68080A@artxfm.com> Message-ID: PS ? When I'm talking about the "schedule grid," I'm limiting that to only a given station with the service... *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | e. advisor at kcsb.org * On Fri, Apr 9, 2021 at 8:45 AM Ted Coe wrote: > They aren't VCRs. Time shifting with Ark doesn't work like that, and > didn't with RFA either. > > That said, if a Spinitron schedule grid is in order, it'd be easy to find > your favorite shows and to select the broadcasts one wants to hear. (Per > DMCA rules, though, only two weeks worth of music shows will ever be > available.) > > There's no fast forwarding or rewinding either, also per the DMCA, and my > experience is that the players recall where you leave off, for individual > programs, if you go back to them. But I don't know if it's in perpetuity > > The Spinitron folks are great at asking questions, though, if one would > like to go more into depth about Ark... > > Good luck! > > *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | > e. advisor at kcsb.org * > > > > > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 3:44 PM Bruce Greif > wrote: > >> do any of these services, or another >> allow the LISTENER to schedule their favorite shows ? >> ie >> "here are my 5 favorite shows" >> "schedule them so i can listen one after another, back to back" >> "stop when i need to, and resume where i left off" >> tx >> >> On 4/8/21, Ted Coe via grc wrote: >> > My station's DJs and other hosts at KCSB-FM (in Santa Barbara, CA) >> already >> > seem to appreciate the Spinitron's new "Ark" archival platform, as a >> > substitute for RFA. You can get it for a nominal monthly fee. >> > >> > So I can second the points made by Duncan from KXCI in Tucson! >> > >> > *Theodore Coe | KCSB AdvisorKCSB-FM 91.9o. 805.893.3921 | >> > e. advisor at kcsb.org * >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:57 AM Duncan Hudson via grc >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Michael, >> >> We use Spinitron and they came up with an excellent alternative that >> >> exists >> >> right in the playlists that we were already displaying. >> >> It has more flexibility and works better for playback than RFA, from >> our >> >> perspective. If you are already using Spinitron it is a small increase >> >> cost. >> >> Best, Duncan >> >> - >> >> Duncan Hudson >> >> MD KXCI-FM >> >> 220 S. 4th Ave. >> >> Tucson, AZ 85701 >> >> 520.623.1000 ext16 >> >> duncan at kxci.org >> >> http://www.kxci.org >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 8, 2021 at 11:45 AM Michael Moon Bear via grc < >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Hi! >> >> > >> >> > Now that radiofreeamerica.com is no more, we are curious about >> >> > solutions other stations may be using. Does your station provide an >> >> > archive of programming to listen to on demand? If so, what methods >> are >> >> > you using to provide this? >> >> > >> >> > --- >> >> > Keep The Beat Alive! >> >> > >> >> > - Michael >> >> > KYRS Station Manager >> >> > 509.624.7573 cell >> >> > 509.747.3012 extension 5 office >> >> > >> >> > KYRS Thin Air Community Radio >> >> > Medical Lake-Spokane 88.1 & 92.3FM >> >> > KYRS.org >> >> > >> >> > Text a Donation: text GiveKYRS to 44321 >> >> > >> >> > Multi matriculantur, pauci gradum suscipiunt >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > grc mailing list >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grc mailing list >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grc mailing list >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > >> >> >> -- >> Bruce Greif >> 516 887-9999 >> The Lilliput Observer / Zaraz >> 80 Broadway,Lynbrook,NY 11563 >> > From mike at brownbroadcast.com Mon Apr 12 01:09:16 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 01:09:16 -0700 Subject: [grc] Radio for People Conference Call -- Tuesday April 13 11AM PDT / 2PM EDT Message-ID: <001a01d72f73$22173610$6645a230$@brownbroadcast.com> You?re invited to join the Radio for People Zoom Conference Call, Tuesday April 13 11AM PDT / 2PM EDT Same Zoom link as last month. For security, the link is not posted publicly. If you need a link to the meeting, please email: betty at c-map.org Tentative Agenda: --FCC Adopts 10-Application Limit for NCE Filing Window --Other FCC Updates (including applications and grants) --Station Updates --Push to get Biden to appoint FCC Commissioner, and decide on a permanent Chair --GRC conference planning --Other conferences and training --Vaccine related issues PSAs? These video PSAs could work for radio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU43V0Zt2gA) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swOPCPSe0_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWo-6YltdiU --Anything else? Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. 3740 SW Comus St. ? Portland OR 97219-7418 USA mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 ? fax 503-912-7562 From mike at brownbroadcast.com Tue Apr 13 00:00:06 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 00:00:06 -0700 Subject: [grc] Radio for People Zoom Conference Call, TODAY Tuesday April 13 11AM PDT / 2PM EDT Message-ID: <002f01d73032$a314b3e0$e93e1ba0$@brownbroadcast.com> You?re invited to join the Radio for People Zoom Conference Call, TODAY Tuesday April 13 11AM PDT / 2PM EDT Same Zoom link as last month. For security, the link is not posted publicly. If you need a link to the meeting, please email: betty at c-map.org Tentative Agenda: --FCC Adopts 10-Application Limit for NCE Filing Window --Other FCC Updates (including applications and grants) --SCOTUS decides Prometheus v. FCC case --Station Updates --Push to get Biden to appoint FCC Commissioner, and decide on a permanent Chair --GRC conference planning --Other conferences and training --Vaccine related issues PSAs? These video PSAs could work for radio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU43V0Zt2gA) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swOPCPSe0_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWo-6YltdiU Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. 3740 SW Comus St. ? Portland OR 97219-7418 USA mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 11:27:20 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:27:20 -0700 Subject: [grc] This week on Heartland Stories Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:ODESSA PIPER, JAMES BEARD AWARD WINNER AND PIONEER IN FARM TO TABLE MOVEMENT Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Odessa Piper, James Beard award winner and pioneer in farm to table movement Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: In this repeat interview, Theresa speaks with chef Odessa Piper. In 1976, Odessa opened her own restaurant, LEtoile, on Madison WIs capitol square. At a time when there was no local supply infrastructure, Odessa drew on her early experiences to cultivate a network of local organic farms and artisans to supply her restaurant. She acknowledged their role by naming and locating them on her menu, and encouraged farmers to build their brands, pool their efforts, and diversify their markets with organic products, winter vegetables from solar hoop houses, and pasture-grazed meats. Odessa was named the James Beard Foundation Best Chef Midwest"2002. In recognition of her contribution to the region's artisanal and sustainable agriculture, the University of Wisconsin"Madison awarded Odessa an honorary doctorate in humane letters in 2006. Odessa Piper Notes: Credits: Heartland Radio: Cultivating Change. Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Stories is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Episodes are available on Audioport. Search for Heartland Stories or follow this link: http://audioport.org/index.php?op=series&series=Heartland+Stories Or on our Podcast page: https://heartlandstories.libsyn.com/ Host, Theresa Marquez Topics Family Farm | Organic Farming | Food and Nutrition Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:00 04-18-21 13:25 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 04-18-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:00 heartlandstories04182021 128Kbps mp3 (26.56MB) Stereo [image: Download] -- Charlie Knower, Producer 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com From generalrokoyura at gmail.com Mon Apr 19 16:02:13 2021 From: generalrokoyura at gmail.com (generalrokoyura) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 19:02:13 -0400 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? Message-ID: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted that I wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the first 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from "co-morbidities", that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, "the most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged.He stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be value in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we take our collective public health responsibilities seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be seen as beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone From rbarnabas at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 09:06:08 2021 From: rbarnabas at gmail.com (Rajesh Barnabas) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:06:08 -0400 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from co-morbidities... On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted that I > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the first > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from "co-morbidities", > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, "the > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" have > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged.He > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be value > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we take > our collective public health responsibilitie > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be seen as > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From anniegarrison at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 09:50:31 2021 From: anniegarrison at gmail.com (Ann Garrison) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:50:31 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger of censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I wouldn't just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > co-morbidities... > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted that I > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the > first > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from "co-morbidities", > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, > "the > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" have > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > discouraged.He > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be > value > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we > take > > our collective public health responsibilitie > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be seen > as > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- Sincerely, @AnnGarrison Independent Journalist, SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland 415-503-7487 From adrienne at sonic.net Tue Apr 20 09:55:56 2021 From: adrienne at sonic.net (Adrienne) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:55:56 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: This misinformation seems life-threatening to me. It is a Pacifica issue but, if I were an affiliate, I would not air this program again. Ann, if there is a credible source that the WHO does the bidding of Bill Gates in this area, please send it to me. Adrienne On 2021-04-20 9:50 am, Ann Garrison via grc wrote: > I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, > "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger of > censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what > Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I wouldn't > just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm speaking > as someone who's been vaccinated. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > co-morbidities... > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted that I > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the first 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from "co-morbidities", > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, "the most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" have > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged.He stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be value in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we take our collective public health responsibilitie > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be seen as beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc -- Sincerely, @AnnGarrison Independent Journalist, SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland 415-503-7487 _______________________________________________ grc mailing list grc at maillist.peak.org http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From rivaenteen at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 09:56:15 2021 From: rivaenteen at gmail.com (riva enteen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:56:15 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree with Ann. And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which is NOT bleach. They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. But I'm a crackpot. https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc wrote: > I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, > "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger of > censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what > Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I wouldn't > just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm speaking > as someone who's been vaccinated. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > > co-morbidities... > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while > > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted > that I > > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the > > first > > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial > > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > "co-morbidities", > > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, > > "the > > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" > have > > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > > discouraged.He > > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an > > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be > > value > > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we > > take > > > our collective public health responsibilitie > > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be > seen > > as > > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my > > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > _______________________________________________ > > > grc mailing list > > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > @AnnGarrison > Independent Journalist, > SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > 415-503-7487 > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From simon at kmud.org Tue Apr 20 09:59:32 2021 From: simon at kmud.org (Simon Frech) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 09:59:32 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. Simon Frech Technical Director Redwood Community Radio, Inc. Redway, CA 95560 > On Apr 19, 2021, at 4:02 PM, generalrokoyura via grc wrote: > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted that I wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the first 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from "co-morbidities", that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, "the most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged.He stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be value in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we take our collective public health responsibilitie > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be seen as beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From dougmcvay at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 10:04:09 2021 From: dougmcvay at gmail.com (Doug McVay) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:04:09 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc wrote: > Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! > My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started > 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an > irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal > and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. > Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. > > > Simon Frech > Technical Director > Redwood Community Radio, Inc. > Redway, CA 95560 > > > On Apr 19, 2021, at 4:02 PM, generalrokoyura via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted that I > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the first > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of pandemic-denial > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from "co-morbidities", > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, "the > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" have > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged.He > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like an > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be value > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we take > our collective public health responsibilitie > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be seen as > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- Doug McVay Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ cel: 717.940.2154 twitter: @dougmcvay skype: dougmcvay From anniegarrison at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 10:07:22 2021 From: anniegarrison at gmail.com (Ann Garrison) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:07:22 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, and another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart attack. But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't doubt that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen wrote: > I agree with Ann. > > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which is > NOT bleach. > > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > > But I'm a crackpot. > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger of >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I wouldn't >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm speaking >> as someone who's been vaccinated. >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >> > co-morbidities... >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> > >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted >> that I >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the >> > first >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >> pandemic-denial >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >> "co-morbidities", >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, >> > "the >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" >> have >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >> > discouraged.He >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like >> an >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be >> > value >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we >> > take >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be >> seen >> > as >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > grc mailing list >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > grc mailing list >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > >> >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> @AnnGarrison >> Independent Journalist, >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> 415-503-7487 >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > -- Sincerely, @AnnGarrison Independent Journalist, SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland 415-503-7487 From dougmcvay at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 10:09:02 2021 From: dougmcvay at gmail.com (Doug McVay) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:09:02 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading them. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc wrote: > I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, and > another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart attack. > But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't doubt > that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever > reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen wrote: > > > I agree with Ann. > > > > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a > > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including > > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > > > > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which is > > NOT bleach. > > > > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but > > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > > > > But I'm a crackpot. > > > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, > >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger > of > >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what > >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I > wouldn't > >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm > speaking > >> as someone who's been vaccinated. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > >> > co-morbidities... > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI > while > >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted > >> that I > >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In > the > >> > first > >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > >> pandemic-denial > >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > >> "co-morbidities", > >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill > Gates, > >> > "the > >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" > >> have > >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > >> > discouraged.He > >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like > >> an > >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be > >> > value > >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that > we > >> > take > >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie > >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be > >> seen > >> > as > >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from > my > >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > grc mailing list > >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > grc mailing list > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sincerely, > >> @AnnGarrison > >> Independent Journalist, > >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >> 415-503-7487 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grc mailing list > >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > > -- > Sincerely, > @AnnGarrison > Independent Journalist, > SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > 415-503-7487 > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- Doug McVay Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ cel: 717.940.2154 twitter: @dougmcvay skype: dougmcvay From rivaenteen at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 10:13:01 2021 From: rivaenteen at gmail.com (riva enteen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:13:01 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Worth looking at: https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay wrote: > Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading > them. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, and >> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart attack. >> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't doubt >> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever >> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen wrote: >> >> > I agree with Ann. >> > >> > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a >> > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including >> > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged >> > >> > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which >> is >> > NOT bleach. >> > >> > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but >> > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. >> > >> > But I'm a crackpot. >> > >> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> > >> >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, >> >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the >> danger of >> >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe >> what >> >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I >> wouldn't >> >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm >> speaking >> >> as someone who's been vaccinated. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >> >> > co-morbidities... >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI >> while >> >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted >> >> that I >> >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In >> the >> >> > first >> >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >> >> pandemic-denial >> >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are >> >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >> >> "co-morbidities", >> >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill >> Gates, >> >> > "the >> >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of >> doctors" >> >> have >> >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative >> >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >> >> > discouraged.He >> >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded >> like >> >> an >> >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, >> be >> >> > value >> >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating >> that we >> >> > take >> >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie >> >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, >> >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be >> >> seen >> >> > as >> >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse >> >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public >> >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from >> my >> >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> > > grc mailing list >> >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > grc mailing list >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sincerely, >> >> @AnnGarrison >> >> Independent Journalist, >> >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> >> 415-503-7487 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grc mailing list >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> Sincerely, >> @AnnGarrison >> Independent Journalist, >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> 415-503-7487 >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > > > -- > Doug McVay > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > cel: 717.940.2154 > twitter: @dougmcvay > skype: dougmcvay > From pobnkin at comcast.net Tue Apr 20 10:22:56 2021 From: pobnkin at comcast.net (Paul O'ROURKE BABB) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:22:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2043407792.318781.1618939377221@connect.xfinity.com> So I say that the earth is flat, that gravity is a hoax, and that the world is being run by lizard people and broadcast that over the airwaves and it's censorship to be sanctioned or cut off for promoting those lies??? Come on people. Hydrochloroquine is proven not to successfully treat Covid, Covid vaccine deaths are nonexistent, and both healthy people and people with pre-existing conditions die FROM THE INFECTION. Not speaking out against disinformation is what is dangerous. I say that as a vaccinated nurse practitioner with 40 years of experience in the science or healthcare. Paul > On 04/20/2021 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc wrote: > > > I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, and > another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart attack. > But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't doubt > that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever > reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen wrote: > > > I agree with Ann. > > > > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a > > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including > > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > > > > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which is > > NOT bleach. > > > > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but > > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > > > > But I'm a crackpot. > > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, > >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger of > >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what > >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I wouldn't > >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm speaking > >> as someone who's been vaccinated. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > >> > co-morbidities... > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI while > >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted > >> that I > >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In the > >> > first > >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > >> pandemic-denial > >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > >> "co-morbidities", > >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill Gates, > >> > "the > >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" > >> have > >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > >> > discouraged.He > >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like > >> an > >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be > >> > value > >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that we > >> > take > >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie > >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be > >> seen > >> > as > >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from my > >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > grc mailing list > >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > grc mailing list > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sincerely, > >> @AnnGarrison > >> Independent Journalist, > >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >> 415-503-7487 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grc mailing list > >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > > -- > Sincerely, > @AnnGarrison > Independent Journalist, > SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > 415-503-7487 > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From generalrokoyura at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 10:30:55 2021 From: generalrokoyura at gmail.com (evan davis) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 13:30:55 -0400 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The letter Null was referring to is explained here; https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does NOT have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. This is, in part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot this kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people who are addicted to it. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman wrote: > "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them belong to > to this discredited European group: > > https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covid-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ > > paz, dg > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc > wrote: > >> Worth looking at: >> >> https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay wrote: >> >> > Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading >> > them. >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> > >> >> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, >> and >> >> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart >> attack. >> >> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't >> doubt >> >> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever >> >> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I agree with Ann. >> >> > >> >> > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to >> a >> >> > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments >> (including >> >> > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged >> >> > >> >> > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, >> which >> >> is >> >> > NOT bleach. >> >> > >> >> > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, >> but >> >> > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. >> >> > >> >> > But I'm a crackpot. >> >> > >> >> >> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, >> >> >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the >> >> danger of >> >> >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe >> >> what >> >> >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I >> >> wouldn't >> >> >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm >> >> speaking >> >> >> as someone who's been vaccinated. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >> >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >> >> >> > co-morbidities... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >> >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI >> >> while >> >> >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and >> disgusted >> >> >> that I >> >> >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the >> radio.In >> >> the >> >> >> > first >> >> >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >> >> >> pandemic-denial >> >> >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths >> are >> >> >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >> >> >> "co-morbidities", >> >> >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill >> >> Gates, >> >> >> > "the >> >> >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of >> >> doctors" >> >> >> have >> >> >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that >> preventative >> >> >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >> >> >> > discouraged.He >> >> >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded >> >> like >> >> >> an >> >> >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, >> perhaps, >> >> be >> >> >> > value >> >> >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating >> >> that we >> >> >> > take >> >> >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie >> >> >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting >> accurate, >> >> >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio >> stations be >> >> >> seen >> >> >> > as >> >> >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse >> >> >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening >> public >> >> >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent >> from >> >> my >> >> >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > > grc mailing list >> >> >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > grc mailing list >> >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> @AnnGarrison >> >> >> Independent Journalist, >> >> >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> >> >> 415-503-7487 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> grc mailing list >> >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sincerely, >> >> @AnnGarrison >> >> Independent Journalist, >> >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> >> 415-503-7487 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grc mailing list >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Doug McVay >> > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug >> > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >> > cel: 717.940.2154 >> > twitter: @dougmcvay >> > skype: dougmcvay >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > > > -- > Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA > Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA > > "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May 15, > 2020 > From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org Tue Apr 20 10:44:32 2021 From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:44:32 -0500 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> I found "https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/" and "https://www.wbai.org/program.php?program=29". The former includes a podcast and a partial transcript for his April 19 show on "It is Time to Dismantle the World Health Organization". The latter says he broadcasts Monday - Friday, noon to 1 PM. How does he get that much air time on WBAI? Does WBAI subscribe to something like the Nielsen Ratings? If yes, does his audience actually justify giving him that much time? If yes, then WBAI and Pacifica surely should be able to afford saddling Null with a serious editor, who would demand that he provide credible citations for his implication that hydroxychloroquine is safe and effective while also providing comparable time -- IN THAT SLOT -- for people who say acknowledge that the WHO is less than perfect but seems far better than the alternatives. I'm a volunteer with KKFI in Kansas City. KKFI is officially owned by its "Active Volunteers". It broadcasts 24/7 at 100,000 watts and has only one show that gets one hour M-F: Democracy Now. 85% of KKFI's broadcast hours are locally produced by volunteers. We have a "Programming Committee" of volunteers who decide what shows get air time when. The other 15% are national and international feeds. We pay fees to Pacifica and the National Federation of Community Broadcasters. We may or may not pay anything beyond that for some of our other national and international feeds; if we do, it isn't much. I agree that we need to be careful about censorship, because it can be used to block honest information as well as misinformation. On the other hand, I support a fairness doctrine, stronger and more effective than the one that was enforced on broadcasting between 1949 and 1987. Henry Ford was sued by Jews and forced to recant his antisemitic "International Jew" and discontinue publication of the companion newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Reaction_to_the_Dearborn_Independent). However, the prominent antisemite Father Coughlin was allows access to the air waves until 1942, several months after the US entered World War II and not quite 4 years after Germany invaded Czechoslovakia. I think if Father Coughlin had been saddled with more honest editorial review in the mid-1930s, the US likely would have accepted more Jewish refugees, and it would have been harder for the Nazis to justify building the death camps. Spencer Graves On 4/20/21 12:30 PM, evan davis via grc wrote: > The letter Null was referring to is explained here; > https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 > > Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does NOT > have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. This is, in > part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot this > kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people who are > addicted to it. > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman wrote: > >> "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them belong to >> to this discredited European group: >> >> https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covid-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ >> >> paz, dg >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc >> wrote: >> >>> Worth looking at: >>> >>> https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay wrote: >>> >>>> Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading >>>> them. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, >>> and >>>>> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart >>> attack. >>>>> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't >>> doubt >>>>> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever >>>>> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Ann. >>>>>> >>>>>> And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to >>> a >>>>>> letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments >>> (including >>>>>> Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged >>>>>> >>>>>> Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, >>> which >>>>> is >>>>>> NOT bleach. >>>>>> >>>>>> They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, >>> but >>>>>> deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I'm a crackpot. >>>>>> >>>>> >>> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, >>>>>>> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the >>>>> danger of >>>>>>> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe >>>>> what >>>>>>> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I >>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm >>>>> speaking >>>>>>> as someone who's been vaccinated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >>>>>>>> co-morbidities... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI >>>>> while >>>>>>>>> driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and >>> disgusted >>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>> wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the >>> radio.In >>>>> the >>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>> 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >>>>>>> pandemic-denial >>>>>>>>> conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths >>> are >>>>>>>>> "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >>>>>>> "co-morbidities", >>>>>>>>> that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill >>>>> Gates, >>>>>>>> "the >>>>>>>>> most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of >>>>> doctors" >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that >>> preventative >>>>>>>>> treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >>>>>>>> discouraged.He >>>>>>>>> stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded >>>>> like >>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>> artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, >>> perhaps, >>>>> be >>>>>>>> value >>>>>>>>> in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating >>>>> that we >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>> our collective public health responsibilitie >>>>>>>>> s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting >>> accurate, >>>>>>>>> verified information?My concern is that community radio >>> stations be >>>>>>> seen >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse >>>>>>>>> slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening >>> public >>>>>>>>> health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent >>> from >>>>> my >>>>>>>>> Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> @AnnGarrison >>>>>>> Independent Journalist, >>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >>>>>>> 415-503-7487 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> @AnnGarrison >>>>> Independent Journalist, >>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >>>>> 415-503-7487 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> grc mailing list >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Doug McVay >>>> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug >>>> Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >>>> cel: 717.940.2154 >>>> twitter: @dougmcvay >>>> skype: dougmcvay >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grc mailing list >>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>> >> >> >> -- >> Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA >> Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA >> >> "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May 15, >> 2020 >> > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From arnold101 at earthlink.net Tue Apr 20 10:55:48 2021 From: arnold101 at earthlink.net (Arnold Levine) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:55:48 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> Message-ID: <7EA8CCEF-6491-46D9-8FC1-633F210CDAF9@earthlink.net> Thanks for posting the messages. The question I find is quite nuanced, despite my own opinion of those discounted theories, I respect people their opinions. My station has had some curious incidents that have forced us to make some tough decisions. In our area it appears we have a coming together of the ideas of right wing/white supremacists, and those we (and they themselves) affectionately call ?Woo-woo?s.? (Those coming from the old hippy, astrology, crystals, natural living threads). Then you mix in a broad coalition of anti-vaxxers, 5G opponents, anti-maskers, C-trailers and other groups, it creates a strange association that wasn?t obvious at first. Nowadays, there are other avenues like facebook where an even greater effect can be had on a station-community, than just a radio show, with people constantly trolling 24/7 for something to react to. One incident occurred for us when we put an entry on facebook about an upcoming special show on 5G, by a well-known Woo-woo in the community. Within a short time, trolls had discovered the show host was married to a white supremacist! Pitchforks and torches were threatened at our studio door. Another occurred when announcing a new show host, whose facebook entries were then trolled, and, although they were mostly innocuous, some dubious articles were re-posted that could be misconstrued, but there were no underlying hate group connections. Yes, more pitchforks and torches were threatened. I?d say a GRC workshop may be needed on this subject. Arnold Levine > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Spencer Graves via grc wrote: > > I found "https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/" and "https://www.wbai.org/program.php?program=29". The former includes a podcast and a partial transcript for his April 19 show on "It is Time to Dismantle the World Health Organization". > > > The latter says he broadcasts Monday - Friday, noon to 1 PM. > > > How does he get that much air time on WBAI? > > > Does WBAI subscribe to something like the Nielsen Ratings? If yes, does his audience actually justify giving him that much time? If yes, then WBAI and Pacifica surely should be able to afford saddling Null with a serious editor, who would demand that he provide credible citations for his implication that hydroxychloroquine is safe and effective while also providing comparable time -- IN THAT SLOT -- for people who say acknowledge that the WHO is less than perfect but seems far better than the alternatives. > > > I'm a volunteer with KKFI in Kansas City. KKFI is officially owned by its "Active Volunteers". It broadcasts 24/7 at 100,000 watts and has only one show that gets one hour M-F: Democracy Now. 85% of KKFI's broadcast hours are locally produced by volunteers. We have a "Programming Committee" of volunteers who decide what shows get air time when. The other 15% are national and international feeds. We pay fees to Pacifica and the National Federation of Community Broadcasters. We may or may not pay anything beyond that for some of our other national and international feeds; if we do, it isn't much. > > > I agree that we need to be careful about censorship, because it can be used to block honest information as well as misinformation. On the other hand, I support a fairness doctrine, stronger and more effective than the one that was enforced on broadcasting between 1949 and 1987. Henry Ford was sued by Jews and forced to recant his antisemitic "International Jew" and discontinue publication of the companion newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Reaction_to_the_Dearborn_Independent). > > > However, the prominent antisemite Father Coughlin was allows access to the air waves until 1942, several months after the US entered World War II and not quite 4 years after Germany invaded Czechoslovakia. I think if Father Coughlin had been saddled with more honest editorial review in the mid-1930s, the US likely would have accepted more Jewish refugees, and it would have been harder for the Nazis to justify building the death camps. > > > Spencer Graves > > > On 4/20/21 12:30 PM, evan davis via grc wrote: >> The letter Null was referring to is explained here; >> https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 >> Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does NOT >> have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. This is, in >> part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot this >> kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people who are >> addicted to it. >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman wrote: >>> "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them belong to >>> to this discredited European group: >>> >>> https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covid-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ >>> >>> paz, dg >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Worth looking at: >>>> >>>> https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay wrote: >>>> >>>>> Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, >>>> and >>>>>> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart >>>> attack. >>>>>> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't >>>> doubt >>>>>> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever >>>>>> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Ann. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to >>>> a >>>>>>> letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments >>>> (including >>>>>>> Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, >>>> which >>>>>> is >>>>>>> NOT bleach. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, >>>> but >>>>>>> deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But I'm a crackpot. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, >>>>>>>> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the >>>>>> danger of >>>>>>>> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe >>>>>> what >>>>>>>> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I >>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm >>>>>> speaking >>>>>>>> as someone who's been vaccinated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >>>>>>>>> co-morbidities... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI >>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>> driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and >>>> disgusted >>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>> wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the >>>> radio.In >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>> 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >>>>>>>> pandemic-denial >>>>>>>>>> conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths >>>> are >>>>>>>>>> "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >>>>>>>> "co-morbidities", >>>>>>>>>> that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill >>>>>> Gates, >>>>>>>>> "the >>>>>>>>>> most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of >>>>>> doctors" >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that >>>> preventative >>>>>>>>>> treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >>>>>>>>> discouraged.He >>>>>>>>>> stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded >>>>>> like >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, >>>> perhaps, >>>>>> be >>>>>>>>> value >>>>>>>>>> in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating >>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>> our collective public health responsibilitie >>>>>>>>>> s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting >>>> accurate, >>>>>>>>>> verified information?My concern is that community radio >>>> stations be >>>>>>>> seen >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse >>>>>>>>>> slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening >>>> public >>>>>>>>>> health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent >>>> from >>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>> Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>> @AnnGarrison >>>>>>>> Independent Journalist, >>>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >>>>>>>> 415-503-7487 >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> @AnnGarrison >>>>>> Independent Journalist, >>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >>>>>> 415-503-7487 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Doug McVay >>>>> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug >>>>> Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >>>>> cel: 717.940.2154 >>>>> twitter: @dougmcvay >>>>> skype: dougmcvay >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> grc mailing list >>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA >>> Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA >>> >>> "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May 15, >>> 2020 >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From pobnkin at comcast.net Tue Apr 20 10:59:58 2021 From: pobnkin at comcast.net (Paul O'ROURKE BABB) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:59:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <429559190.319060.1618941599120@connect.xfinity.com> Know that childrens health defense is robert kennedy's antivaxer organization, source of many unverified and disproven claims about the dangers of vaccines. > On 04/20/2021 10:13 AM riva enteen via grc wrote: > > > Worth looking at: > https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay wrote: > > > Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading > > them. > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > >> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, and > >> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart attack. > >> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't doubt > >> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever > >> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen wrote: > >> > >> > I agree with Ann. > >> > > >> > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a > >> > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including > >> > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > >> > > >> > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which > >> is > >> > NOT bleach. > >> > > >> > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but > >> > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > >> > > >> > But I'm a crackpot. > >> > > >> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > > >> >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, > >> >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the > >> danger of > >> >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe > >> what > >> >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I > >> wouldn't > >> >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm > >> speaking > >> >> as someone who's been vaccinated. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > >> >> > co-morbidities... > >> >> > > >> >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI > >> while > >> >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted > >> >> that I > >> >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In > >> the > >> >> > first > >> >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > >> >> pandemic-denial > >> >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > >> >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > >> >> "co-morbidities", > >> >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill > >> Gates, > >> >> > "the > >> >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of > >> doctors" > >> >> have > >> >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > >> >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > >> >> > discouraged.He > >> >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded > >> like > >> >> an > >> >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, > >> be > >> >> > value > >> >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating > >> that we > >> >> > take > >> >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie > >> >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > >> >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be > >> >> seen > >> >> > as > >> >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > >> >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > >> >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from > >> my > >> >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > > grc mailing list > >> >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> >> > > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > grc mailing list > >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Sincerely, > >> >> @AnnGarrison > >> >> Independent Journalist, > >> >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >> >> 415-503-7487 > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> grc mailing list > >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> >> > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Sincerely, > >> @AnnGarrison > >> Independent Journalist, > >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >> 415-503-7487 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grc mailing list > >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > > > > -- > > Doug McVay > > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > > cel: 717.940.2154 > > twitter: @dougmcvay > > skype: dougmcvay > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From philiptymon at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 11:07:52 2021 From: philiptymon at gmail.com (Philip Tymon) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:07:52 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> Message-ID: "How does he get that much air time on WBAI?" In my experience, Gary's show was one of those that brought in the most money during pledge drives. There were one or two other shows which, in my opinion were quite wacky, which also brought in huge amounts of money during pledges. These few shows actually accounted for a very large percentage of the total amount raised. It's pretty hard to say "no" to a show that is, essentially, keeping you on the air. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:44 AM Spencer Graves via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > I found "https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/" and > "https://www.wbai.org/program.php?program=29". The former includes a > podcast and a partial transcript for his April 19 show on "It is Time to > Dismantle the World Health Organization". > > > The latter says he broadcasts Monday - Friday, noon to 1 PM. > > > How does he get that much air time on WBAI? > > > Does WBAI subscribe to something like the Nielsen Ratings? If > yes, > does his audience actually justify giving him that much time? If yes, > then WBAI and Pacifica surely should be able to afford saddling Null > with a serious editor, who would demand that he provide credible > citations for his implication that hydroxychloroquine is safe and > effective while also providing comparable time -- IN THAT SLOT -- for > people who say acknowledge that the WHO is less than perfect but seems > far better than the alternatives. > > > I'm a volunteer with KKFI in Kansas City. KKFI is officially > owned > by its "Active Volunteers". It broadcasts 24/7 at 100,000 watts and has > only one show that gets one hour M-F: Democracy Now. 85% of KKFI's > broadcast hours are locally produced by volunteers. We have a > "Programming Committee" of volunteers who decide what shows get air time > when. The other 15% are national and international feeds. We pay fees > to Pacifica and the National Federation of Community Broadcasters. We > may or may not pay anything beyond that for some of our other national > and international feeds; if we do, it isn't much. > > > I agree that we need to be careful about censorship, because it > can > be used to block honest information as well as misinformation. On the > other hand, I support a fairness doctrine, stronger and more effective > than the one that was enforced on broadcasting between 1949 and 1987. > Henry Ford was sued by Jews and forced to recant his antisemitic > "International Jew" and discontinue publication of the companion > newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent" > ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Reaction_to_the_Dearborn_Independent). > > > > > However, the prominent antisemite Father Coughlin was allows > access > to the air waves until 1942, several months after the US entered World > War II and not quite 4 years after Germany invaded Czechoslovakia. I > think if Father Coughlin had been saddled with more honest editorial > review in the mid-1930s, the US likely would have accepted more Jewish > refugees, and it would have been harder for the Nazis to justify > building the death camps. > > > Spencer Graves > > > On 4/20/21 12:30 PM, evan davis via grc wrote: > > The letter Null was referring to is explained here; > > https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 > > > > Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does NOT > > have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. This is, > in > > part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot this > > kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people who are > > addicted to it. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman > wrote: > > > >> "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them belong to > >> to this discredited European group: > >> > >> > https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covid-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ > >> > >> paz, dg > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Worth looking at: > >>> > >>> > https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading > >>>> them. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > >>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, > >>> and > >>>>> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart > >>> attack. > >>>>> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't > >>> doubt > >>>>> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for > whatever > >>>>> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I agree with Ann. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to > >>> a > >>>>>> letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments > >>> (including > >>>>>> Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, > >>> which > >>>>> is > >>>>>> NOT bleach. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, > >>> but > >>>>>> deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But I'm a crackpot. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald > said, > >>>>>>> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the > >>>>> danger of > >>>>>>> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe > >>>>> what > >>>>>>> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I > >>>>> wouldn't > >>>>>>> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm > >>>>> speaking > >>>>>>> as someone who's been vaccinated. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > >>>>>>>> co-morbidities... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI > >>>>> while > >>>>>>>>> driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and > >>> disgusted > >>>>>>> that I > >>>>>>>>> wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the > >>> radio.In > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> first > >>>>>>>>> 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > >>>>>>> pandemic-denial > >>>>>>>>> conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths > >>> are > >>>>>>>>> "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > >>>>>>> "co-morbidities", > >>>>>>>>> that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill > >>>>> Gates, > >>>>>>>> "the > >>>>>>>>> most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of > >>>>> doctors" > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that > >>> preventative > >>>>>>>>> treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > >>>>>>>> discouraged.He > >>>>>>>>> stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded > >>>>> like > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>> artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, > >>> perhaps, > >>>>> be > >>>>>>>> value > >>>>>>>>> in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating > >>>>> that we > >>>>>>>> take > >>>>>>>>> our collective public health responsibilitie > >>>>>>>>> s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting > >>> accurate, > >>>>>>>>> verified information?My concern is that community radio > >>> stations be > >>>>>>> seen > >>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>> beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > >>>>>>>>> slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening > >>> public > >>>>>>>>> health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent > >>> from > >>>>> my > >>>>>>>>> Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>> @AnnGarrison > >>>>>>> Independent Journalist, > >>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >>>>>>> 415-503-7487 > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> @AnnGarrison > >>>>> Independent Journalist, > >>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >>>>> 415-503-7487 > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Doug McVay > >>>> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > >>>> Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > >>>> cel: 717.940.2154 > >>>> twitter: @dougmcvay > >>>> skype: dougmcvay > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grc mailing list > >>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA > >> Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA > >> > >> "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May 15, > >> 2020 > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From rivaenteen at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 11:10:00 2021 From: rivaenteen at gmail.com (riva enteen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:10:00 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Discredited by who? NEVER in my long life has science been so questioned (except by flat earthers, which I'm not.) On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:20 AM David Goodman wrote: > "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them belong to > to this discredited European group: > > https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covid-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ > > paz, dg > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc > wrote: > >> Worth looking at: >> >> https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay wrote: >> >> > Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in reading >> > them. >> > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> > >> >> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, >> and >> >> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart >> attack. >> >> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't >> doubt >> >> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever >> >> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I agree with Ann. >> >> > >> >> > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to >> a >> >> > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments >> (including >> >> > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged >> >> > >> >> > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, >> which >> >> is >> >> > NOT bleach. >> >> > >> >> > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, >> but >> >> > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. >> >> > >> >> > But I'm a crackpot. >> >> > >> >> >> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, >> >> >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the >> >> danger of >> >> >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe >> >> what >> >> >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I >> >> wouldn't >> >> >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm >> >> speaking >> >> >> as someone who's been vaccinated. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >> >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >> >> >> > co-morbidities... >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >> >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI >> >> while >> >> >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and >> disgusted >> >> >> that I >> >> >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the >> radio.In >> >> the >> >> >> > first >> >> >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >> >> >> pandemic-denial >> >> >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths >> are >> >> >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >> >> >> "co-morbidities", >> >> >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill >> >> Gates, >> >> >> > "the >> >> >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of >> >> doctors" >> >> >> have >> >> >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that >> preventative >> >> >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >> >> >> > discouraged.He >> >> >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded >> >> like >> >> >> an >> >> >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, >> perhaps, >> >> be >> >> >> > value >> >> >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating >> >> that we >> >> >> > take >> >> >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie >> >> >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting >> accurate, >> >> >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio >> stations be >> >> >> seen >> >> >> > as >> >> >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse >> >> >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening >> public >> >> >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent >> from >> >> my >> >> >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > > grc mailing list >> >> >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> >> > grc mailing list >> >> >> > grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Sincerely, >> >> >> @AnnGarrison >> >> >> Independent Journalist, >> >> >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> >> >> 415-503-7487 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> grc mailing list >> >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Sincerely, >> >> @AnnGarrison >> >> Independent Journalist, >> >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >> >> 415-503-7487 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> grc mailing list >> >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Doug McVay >> > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug >> > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >> > cel: 717.940.2154 >> > twitter: @dougmcvay >> > skype: dougmcvay >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > > > -- > Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA > Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA > > "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May 15, > 2020 > From mike at brownbroadcast.com Tue Apr 20 11:53:18 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:53:18 -0700 Subject: [grc] Gary Null _ Covid Message-ID: <00b501d73616$6e143f00$4a3cbd00$@brownbroadcast.com> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Null Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. 3740 SW Comus St. ? Portland OR 97219-7418 USA mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 From mike at brownbroadcast.com Tue Apr 20 12:26:57 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:26:57 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> Message-ID: <00be01d7361b$2151e0f0$63f5a2d0$@brownbroadcast.com> ...Then the station is no better than those stations that aired the racist poison of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage for the last 30 years, because it brought in the dollar$$$$... There can and should be a few VERY LIMITED lines drawn. One of them is not killing your audience with verifiably false public health information. Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: grc On Behalf Of Philip Tymon via grc Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:08 AM To: Spencer Graves Cc: evan davis ; _GRC list ; David Goodman Subject: Re: [grc] Grc statement on covid? "How does he get that much air time on WBAI?" In my experience, Gary's show was one of those that brought in the most money during pledge drives. There were one or two other shows which, in my opinion were quite wacky, which also brought in huge amounts of money during pledges. These few shows actually accounted for a very large percentage of the total amount raised. It's pretty hard to say "no" to a show that is, essentially, keeping you on the air. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:44 AM Spencer Graves via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > I found "https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/" and > "https://www.wbai.org/program.php?program=29". The former includes a > podcast and a partial transcript for his April 19 show on "It is Time > to Dismantle the World Health Organization". > > > The latter says he broadcasts Monday - Friday, noon to 1 PM. > > > How does he get that much air time on WBAI? > > > Does WBAI subscribe to something like the Nielsen Ratings? > If yes, does his audience actually justify giving him that much time? > If yes, then WBAI and Pacifica surely should be able to afford > saddling Null with a serious editor, who would demand that he provide > credible citations for his implication that hydroxychloroquine is safe > and effective while also providing comparable time -- IN THAT SLOT -- > for people who say acknowledge that the WHO is less than perfect but > seems far better than the alternatives. > > > I'm a volunteer with KKFI in Kansas City. KKFI is > officially owned by its "Active Volunteers". It broadcasts 24/7 at > 100,000 watts and has only one show that gets one hour M-F: Democracy > Now. 85% of KKFI's broadcast hours are locally produced by > volunteers. We have a "Programming Committee" of volunteers who > decide what shows get air time when. The other 15% are national and > international feeds. We pay fees to Pacifica and the National > Federation of Community Broadcasters. We may or may not pay anything > beyond that for some of our other national and international feeds; > if we do, it isn't much. > > > I agree that we need to be careful about censorship, because > it can be used to block honest information as well as misinformation. > On the other hand, I support a fairness doctrine, stronger and more > effective than the one that was enforced on broadcasting between 1949 > and 1987. > Henry Ford was sued by Jews and forced to recant his antisemitic > "International Jew" and discontinue publication of the companion > newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent" > ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Reaction_to_the_Dearb orn_Independent). > > > > > However, the prominent antisemite Father Coughlin was allows > access to the air waves until 1942, several months after the US > entered World War II and not quite 4 years after Germany invaded > Czechoslovakia. I think if Father Coughlin had been saddled with more > honest editorial review in the mid-1930s, the US likely would have > accepted more Jewish refugees, and it would have been harder for the > Nazis to justify building the death camps. > > > Spencer Graves > > > On 4/20/21 12:30 PM, evan davis via grc wrote: > > The letter Null was referring to is explained here; > > https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 > > > > Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does > > NOT have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. > > This is, > in > > part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot > > this kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people > > who are addicted to it. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman > wrote: > > > >> "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them > >> belong to to this discredited European group: > >> > >> > https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covi > d-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ > >> > >> paz, dg > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Worth looking at: > >>> > >>> > https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c > 7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in > >>>> reading them. > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > >>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of > >>>>> COVID, > >>> and > >>>>> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a > >>>>> heart > >>> attack. > >>>>> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I > >>>>> don't > >>> doubt > >>>>> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for > whatever > >>>>> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen > >>>>> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> I agree with Ann. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to > >>> a > >>>>>> letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments > >>> (including > >>>>>> Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin > >>>>>> works, > >>> which > >>>>> is > >>>>>> NOT bleach. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to > >>>>>> comorbidities, > >>> but > >>>>>> deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But I'm a crackpot. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skep > tics-and-democracy > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald > said, > >>>>>>> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but > >>>>>>> the > >>>>> danger of > >>>>>>> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who > >>>>>>> believe > >>>>> what > >>>>>>> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so > >>>>>>> I > >>>>> wouldn't > >>>>>>> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And > >>>>>>> I'm > >>>>> speaking > >>>>>>> as someone who's been vaccinated. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > >>>>>>>> co-morbidities... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on > >>>>>>>>> WBAI > >>>>> while > >>>>>>>>> driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and > >>> disgusted > >>>>>>> that I > >>>>>>>>> wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the > >>> radio.In > >>>>> the > >>>>>>>> first > >>>>>>>>> 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > >>>>>>> pandemic-denial > >>>>>>>>> conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid > >>>>>>>>> deaths > >>> are > >>>>>>>>> "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > >>>>>>> "co-morbidities", > >>>>>>>>> that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of > >>>>>>>>> Bill > >>>>> Gates, > >>>>>>>> "the > >>>>>>>>> most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of > >>>>> doctors" > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that > >>> preventative > >>>>>>>>> treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > >>>>>>>> discouraged.He > >>>>>>>>> stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he > >>>>>>>>> sounded > >>>>> like > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>> artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, > >>> perhaps, > >>>>> be > >>>>>>>> value > >>>>>>>>> in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement > >>>>>>>>> indicating > >>>>> that we > >>>>>>>> take > >>>>>>>>> our collective public health responsibilitie > >>>>>>>>> s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting > >>> accurate, > >>>>>>>>> verified information?My concern is that community radio > >>> stations be > >>>>>>> seen > >>>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>>> beacons of sanity, not as magnets for > >>>>>>>>> fact-and-analysis-averse slepticism-junkies who might, on > >>>>>>>>> another day, be theatening > >>> public > >>>>>>>>> health.officials, or storming their places of > >>>>>>>>> employment.Sent > >>> from > >>>>> my > >>>>>>>>> Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>>>> @AnnGarrison > >>>>>>> Independent Journalist, > >>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >>>>>>> 415-503-7487 > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sincerely, > >>>>> @AnnGarrison > >>>>> Independent Journalist, > >>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >>>>> 415-503-7487 > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> grc mailing list > >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Doug McVay > >>>> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and > >>>> Drug Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > >>>> cel: 717.940.2154 > >>>> twitter: @dougmcvay > >>>> skype: dougmcvay > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> grc mailing list > >>> grc at maillist.peak.org > >>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. > >> Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA > >> > >> "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May > >> 15, > >> 2020 > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > _______________________________________________ grc mailing list grc at maillist.peak.org http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From philiptymon at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:41:39 2021 From: philiptymon at gmail.com (Philip Tymon) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:41:39 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <00be01d7361b$2151e0f0$63f5a2d0$@brownbroadcast.com> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> <00be01d7361b$2151e0f0$63f5a2d0$@brownbroadcast.com> Message-ID: I agree. At the time (mid 1980's) Gary was saying some "fringe", non-mainstream stuff that did not not seem to be verifiably false nor necessarily harmful. So, I was just answering the question as to why he is now given so much time and my speculation is that he continues to bring in the big bucks. However, to be clear, I am not in any way defending such a position. I very much agree that, while allowing voices to be heard and perspectives to be shared that might not be aired on more mainstream media, certain lines need to be drawn and clearly enforced. However, I also have plenty of experience knowing that that is easy to say and can be very hard to do when you have very aggressive personalities, whose entire identity, and sometimes income, is invested and who have a large contingent of supporters. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 12:27 PM Michael D. Brown via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > ...Then the station is no better than those stations that aired the racist > poison of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage for the last 30 years, because > it > brought in the dollar$$$$... > > There can and should be a few VERY LIMITED lines drawn. One of them is not > killing your audience with verifiably false public health information. > > Michael D. Brown > Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: grc On Behalf Of Philip Tymon via > grc > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:08 AM > To: Spencer Graves > Cc: evan davis ; _GRC list > ; David Goodman > Subject: Re: [grc] Grc statement on covid? > > "How does he get that much air time on WBAI?" > > In my experience, Gary's show was one of those that brought in the most > money during pledge drives. There were one or two other shows which, in my > opinion were quite wacky, which also brought in huge amounts of money > during > pledges. These few shows actually accounted for a very large percentage of > the total amount raised. It's pretty hard to say "no" to a show that is, > essentially, keeping you on the air. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:44 AM Spencer Graves via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > I found "https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/" and > > "https://www.wbai.org/program.php?program=29". The former includes a > > podcast and a partial transcript for his April 19 show on "It is Time > > to Dismantle the World Health Organization". > > > > > > The latter says he broadcasts Monday - Friday, noon to 1 PM. > > > > > > How does he get that much air time on WBAI? > > > > > > Does WBAI subscribe to something like the Nielsen Ratings? > > If yes, does his audience actually justify giving him that much time? > > If yes, then WBAI and Pacifica surely should be able to afford > > saddling Null with a serious editor, who would demand that he provide > > credible citations for his implication that hydroxychloroquine is safe > > and effective while also providing comparable time -- IN THAT SLOT -- > > for people who say acknowledge that the WHO is less than perfect but > > seems far better than the alternatives. > > > > > > I'm a volunteer with KKFI in Kansas City. KKFI is > > officially owned by its "Active Volunteers". It broadcasts 24/7 at > > 100,000 watts and has only one show that gets one hour M-F: Democracy > > Now. 85% of KKFI's broadcast hours are locally produced by > > volunteers. We have a "Programming Committee" of volunteers who > > decide what shows get air time when. The other 15% are national and > > international feeds. We pay fees to Pacifica and the National > > Federation of Community Broadcasters. We may or may not pay anything > > beyond that for some of our other national and international feeds; > > if we do, it isn't much. > > > > > > I agree that we need to be careful about censorship, because > > it can be used to block honest information as well as misinformation. > > On the other hand, I support a fairness doctrine, stronger and more > > effective than the one that was enforced on broadcasting between 1949 > > and 1987. > > Henry Ford was sued by Jews and forced to recant his antisemitic > > "International Jew" and discontinue publication of the companion > > newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent" > > ( > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Reaction_to_the_Dearb > orn_Independent). > > > > > > > > > > However, the prominent antisemite Father Coughlin was allows > > access to the air waves until 1942, several months after the US > > entered World War II and not quite 4 years after Germany invaded > > Czechoslovakia. I think if Father Coughlin had been saddled with more > > honest editorial review in the mid-1930s, the US likely would have > > accepted more Jewish refugees, and it would have been harder for the > > Nazis to justify building the death camps. > > > > > > Spencer Graves > > > > > > On 4/20/21 12:30 PM, evan davis via grc wrote: > > > The letter Null was referring to is explained here; > > > https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 > > > > > > Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does > > > NOT have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. > > > This is, > > in > > > part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot > > > this kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people > > > who are addicted to it. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman > > wrote: > > > > > >> "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them > > >> belong to to this discredited European group: > > >> > > >> > > https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covi > > d-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ > > >> > > >> paz, dg > > >> > > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Worth looking at: > > >>> > > >>> > > https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c > > 7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e > > >>> > > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in > > >>>> reading them. > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > > >>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of > > >>>>> COVID, > > >>> and > > >>>>> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a > > >>>>> heart > > >>> attack. > > >>>>> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I > > >>>>> don't > > >>> doubt > > >>>>> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for > > whatever > > >>>>> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen > > >>>>> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> I agree with Ann. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on > to > > >>> a > > >>>>>> letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments > > >>> (including > > >>>>>> Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin > > >>>>>> works, > > >>> which > > >>>>> is > > >>>>>> NOT bleach. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to > > >>>>>> comorbidities, > > >>> but > > >>>>>> deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> But I'm a crackpot. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skep > > tics-and-democracy > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > > >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald > > said, > > >>>>>>> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but > > >>>>>>> the > > >>>>> danger of > > >>>>>>> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who > > >>>>>>> believe > > >>>>> what > > >>>>>>> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so > > >>>>>>> I > > >>>>> wouldn't > > >>>>>>> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And > > >>>>>>> I'm > > >>>>> speaking > > >>>>>>> as someone who's been vaccinated. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > > >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > > >>>>>>>> co-morbidities... > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > > >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on > > >>>>>>>>> WBAI > > >>>>> while > > >>>>>>>>> driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and > > >>> disgusted > > >>>>>>> that I > > >>>>>>>>> wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the > > >>> radio.In > > >>>>> the > > >>>>>>>> first > > >>>>>>>>> 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > > >>>>>>> pandemic-denial > > >>>>>>>>> conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid > > >>>>>>>>> deaths > > >>> are > > >>>>>>>>> "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > > >>>>>>> "co-morbidities", > > >>>>>>>>> that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of > > >>>>>>>>> Bill > > >>>>> Gates, > > >>>>>>>> "the > > >>>>>>>>> most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of > > >>>>> doctors" > > >>>>>>> have > > >>>>>>>>> signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that > > >>> preventative > > >>>>>>>>> treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > > >>>>>>>> discouraged.He > > >>>>>>>>> stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he > > >>>>>>>>> sounded > > >>>>> like > > >>>>>>> an > > >>>>>>>>> artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, > > >>> perhaps, > > >>>>> be > > >>>>>>>> value > > >>>>>>>>> in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement > > >>>>>>>>> indicating > > >>>>> that we > > >>>>>>>> take > > >>>>>>>>> our collective public health responsibilitie > > >>>>>>>>> s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting > > >>> accurate, > > >>>>>>>>> verified information?My concern is that community radio > > >>> stations be > > >>>>>>> seen > > >>>>>>>> as > > >>>>>>>>> beacons of sanity, not as magnets for > > >>>>>>>>> fact-and-analysis-averse slepticism-junkies who might, on > > >>>>>>>>> another day, be theatening > > >>> public > > >>>>>>>>> health.officials, or storming their places of > > >>>>>>>>> employment.Sent > > >>> from > > >>>>> my > > >>>>>>>>> Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>>> grc mailing list > > >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > > >>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>>> grc mailing list > > >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > > >>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Sincerely, > > >>>>>>> @AnnGarrison > > >>>>>>> Independent Journalist, > > >>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > > >>>>>>> 415-503-7487 > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>>>> grc mailing list > > >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > > >>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Sincerely, > > >>>>> @AnnGarrison > > >>>>> Independent Journalist, > > >>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > > >>>>> 415-503-7487 > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> grc mailing list > > >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org > > >>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Doug McVay > > >>>> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and > > >>>> Drug Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > > >>>> cel: 717.940.2154 > > >>>> twitter: @dougmcvay > > >>>> skype: dougmcvay > > >>>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> grc mailing list > > >>> grc at maillist.peak.org > > >>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. > > >> Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA > > >> > > >> "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May > > >> 15, > > >> 2020 > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > > grc mailing list > > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org Tue Apr 20 13:09:55 2021 From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:09:55 -0500 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <00be01d7361b$2151e0f0$63f5a2d0$@brownbroadcast.com> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <3769bc34-e58b-3254-690b-0832f2e5d786@effectivedefense.org> <00be01d7361b$2151e0f0$63f5a2d0$@brownbroadcast.com> Message-ID: Siva Vaidhyanathan (2018) Antisocial Media: How Facebook Disconnects Us And Undermines Democracy (Oxford University Press) and H. R. McMaster (2020) Battlegrounds: The Fight to Defend the Free World (HarperCollins) both discuss how the commercial imperative drives companies like Facebook and Google to promote clickbait with no regard for veracity in ways that have dramatically amplified political polarization around the world. This is discussed further in my "Confirmation bias and conflict" and my proposed "International Conflict Observatory". https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias_and_conflict https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/International_Conflict_Observatory Permit me to revise my question about Gary Null: What's the net income from his shows (money raised minus anything paid to him), and how does that compare with other shows? Also, can WBAI (and any other station that carries his material) require him to post transcripts to a place like Wikiversity, where the entire world would be invited to post notes and add "Discussion" giving contrary perspectives AND force him to collaborate with a co-host, who would not allow him to disseminate unsubstantiated claims without a protest? My new "Media reform to improve democracy" series is being posted on Wikiversity, typically an hour Zoom video with a transcript AND a 29:00 mm:ss edited version available to Pacifica: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:Media_reform_to_improve_democracy http://audioport.org/index.php?op=producer-info&uid=2090 You have to be able to log into Audioport to get the 29:00 mm:ss MP3 version. Spencer On 4/20/21 2:26 PM, Michael D. Brown via grc wrote: > ...Then the station is no better than those stations that aired the racist > poison of Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage for the last 30 years, because it > brought in the dollar$$$$... > > There can and should be a few VERY LIMITED lines drawn. One of them is not > killing your audience with verifiably false public health information. > > Michael D. Brown > Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: grc On Behalf Of Philip Tymon via grc > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:08 AM > To: Spencer Graves > Cc: evan davis ; _GRC list > ; David Goodman > Subject: Re: [grc] Grc statement on covid? > > "How does he get that much air time on WBAI?" > > In my experience, Gary's show was one of those that brought in the most > money during pledge drives. There were one or two other shows which, in my > opinion were quite wacky, which also brought in huge amounts of money during > pledges. These few shows actually accounted for a very large percentage of > the total amount raised. It's pretty hard to say "no" to a show that is, > essentially, keeping you on the air. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:44 AM Spencer Graves via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> I found "https://thegarynullshow.podbean.com/" and >> "https://www.wbai.org/program.php?program=29". The former includes a >> podcast and a partial transcript for his April 19 show on "It is Time >> to Dismantle the World Health Organization". >> >> >> The latter says he broadcasts Monday - Friday, noon to 1 PM. >> >> >> How does he get that much air time on WBAI? >> >> >> Does WBAI subscribe to something like the Nielsen Ratings? >> If yes, does his audience actually justify giving him that much time? >> If yes, then WBAI and Pacifica surely should be able to afford >> saddling Null with a serious editor, who would demand that he provide >> credible citations for his implication that hydroxychloroquine is safe >> and effective while also providing comparable time -- IN THAT SLOT -- >> for people who say acknowledge that the WHO is less than perfect but >> seems far better than the alternatives. >> >> >> I'm a volunteer with KKFI in Kansas City. KKFI is >> officially owned by its "Active Volunteers". It broadcasts 24/7 at >> 100,000 watts and has only one show that gets one hour M-F: Democracy >> Now. 85% of KKFI's broadcast hours are locally produced by >> volunteers. We have a "Programming Committee" of volunteers who >> decide what shows get air time when. The other 15% are national and >> international feeds. We pay fees to Pacifica and the National >> Federation of Community Broadcasters. We may or may not pay anything >> beyond that for some of our other national and international feeds; >> if we do, it isn't much. >> >> >> I agree that we need to be careful about censorship, because >> it can be used to block honest information as well as misinformation. >> On the other hand, I support a fairness doctrine, stronger and more >> effective than the one that was enforced on broadcasting between 1949 >> and 1987. >> Henry Ford was sued by Jews and forced to recant his antisemitic >> "International Jew" and discontinue publication of the companion >> newspaper, "The Dearborn Independent" >> ( >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dearborn_Independent#Reaction_to_the_Dearb > orn_Independent). >> >> >> >> >> However, the prominent antisemite Father Coughlin was allows >> access to the air waves until 1942, several months after the US >> entered World War II and not quite 4 years after Germany invaded >> Czechoslovakia. I think if Father Coughlin had been saddled with more >> honest editorial review in the mid-1930s, the US likely would have >> accepted more Jewish refugees, and it would have been harder for the >> Nazis to justify building the death camps. >> >> >> Spencer Graves >> >> >> On 4/20/21 12:30 PM, evan davis via grc wrote: >>> The letter Null was referring to is explained here; >>> https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89204 >>> >>> Note that the sponsor of the issuing organization ( which, BTW, does >>> NOT have "tens of thousands" of co-signers) is funded by the Kochs. >>> This is, >> in >>> part, what I am talking about. We don't want to inadvertently parrot >>> this kind of right-wing propaganda and attract the kinds of people >>> who are addicted to it. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:20 PM David Goodman >> wrote: >>> >>>> "Tens of thousands of doctors signed on..."? How many of them >>>> belong to to this discredited European group: >>>> >>>> >> https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/doctors-in-video-falsely-equate-covi >> d-19-with-a-normal-flu-virus/ >>>> >>>> paz, dg >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 1:13 PM riva enteen via grc < >> grc at maillist.peak.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Worth looking at: >>>>> >>>>> >> https://childrenshealthdefense.salsalabs.org/4-19-21defender?wvpId=a4c >> 7cc45-33af-438e-b4e7-0270a1273e0e >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:09 AM Doug McVay >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Could you send a link for those articles? I'd be interested in >>>>>> reading them. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:07 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of >>>>>>> COVID, >>>>> and >>>>>>> another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a >>>>>>> heart >>>>> attack. >>>>>>> But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I >>>>>>> don't >>>>> doubt >>>>>>> that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for >> whatever >>>>>>> reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen >>>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with Ann. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on > to >>>>> a >>>>>>>> letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments >>>>> (including >>>>>>>> Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin >>>>>>>> works, >>>>> which >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> NOT bleach. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to >>>>>>>> comorbidities, >>>>> but >>>>>>>> deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But I'm a crackpot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >> https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skep >> tics-and-democracy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < >>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald >> said, >>>>>>>>> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>> danger of >>>>>>>>> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who >>>>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>>> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And >>>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>> speaking >>>>>>>>> as someone who's been vaccinated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from >>>>>>>>>> co-morbidities... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < >>>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on >>>>>>>>>>> WBAI >>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>> driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and >>>>> disgusted >>>>>>>>> that I >>>>>>>>>>> wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the >>>>> radio.In >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> first >>>>>>>>>>> 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of >>>>>>>>> pandemic-denial >>>>>>>>>>> conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid >>>>>>>>>>> deaths >>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from >>>>>>>>> "co-morbidities", >>>>>>>>>>> that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of >>>>>>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> Gates, >>>>>>>>>> "the >>>>>>>>>>> most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of >>>>>>> doctors" >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that >>>>> preventative >>>>>>>>>>> treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or >>>>>>>>>> discouraged.He >>>>>>>>>>> stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he >>>>>>>>>>> sounded >>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>>> artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, >>>>> perhaps, >>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>> value >>>>>>>>>>> in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement >>>>>>>>>>> indicating >>>>>>> that we >>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>> our collective public health responsibilitie >>>>>>>>>>> s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting >>>>> accurate, >>>>>>>>>>> verified information?My concern is that community radio >>>>> stations be >>>>>>>>> seen >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> beacons of sanity, not as magnets for >>>>>>>>>>> fact-and-analysis-averse slepticism-junkies who might, on >>>>>>>>>>> another day, be theatening >>>>> public >>>>>>>>>>> health.officials, or storming their places of >>>>>>>>>>> employment.Sent >>>>> from >>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>> Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>> @AnnGarrison >>>>>>>>> Independent Journalist, >>>>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >>>>>>>>> 415-503-7487 >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> @AnnGarrison >>>>>>> Independent Journalist, >>>>>>> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland >>>>>>> 415-503-7487 >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> grc mailing list >>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Doug McVay >>>>>> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and >>>>>> Drug Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >>>>>> cel: 717.940.2154 >>>>>> twitter: @dougmcvay >>>>>> skype: dougmcvay >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> grc mailing list >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>>>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Weekdays: GBH Radio News, Brighton, MA Nights & weekends: I.B.I.S. >>>> Radio, Jamaica Plain, MA >>>> >>>> "Write injuries in dust, benefits in marble..." Fortune Cookie, May >>>> 15, >>>> 2020 >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> grc mailing list >>> grc at maillist.peak.org >>> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From undone at lmi.net Tue Apr 20 18:23:04 2021 From: undone at lmi.net (Barbara Deutsch) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:23:04 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every message w/?covid? in the subject heading ] hello everyone: I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate this thread; ? where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered intellectually indispensible ? I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned data/documents relating to, and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the injections misleadingly called vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they ever intended to do so ) that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant questions your attention: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of Pacificans in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced attention ? barbara and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) duesberg.com or Duesberg?s latest book, Inventing the AIDS Virus or watch https://brandnewtube.com/watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved in the HIV=AIDS scam." > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc wrote: > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > wrote: > >> Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! >> My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started >> 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an >> irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal >> and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. >> Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. >> >> >> Simon Frech >> Technical Director >> Redwood Community Radio, Inc. >> Redway, CA 95560 >> > > -- > Doug McVay > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > cel: 717.940.2154 > twitter: @dougmcvay > skype: dougmcvay > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From philiptymon at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 18:27:59 2021 From: philiptymon at gmail.com (Philip Tymon) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:27:59 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: Lorenzo Milam was crippled his entire life due to polio, his sister died of it. Yes, I wonder what he would think. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:23 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every message > w/?covid? in the subject heading ] > > hello everyone: > > I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate > this thread; ? > where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered > intellectually indispensible ? > > > I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned > data/documents relating to, > and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the > injections misleadingly called > vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they > ever intended to do so ) > that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant > questions your attention: > > > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ > > > dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of > Pacificans > in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? > > in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced > attention ? > barbara > > > and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) > duesberg.com > or Duesberg?s latest book, *Inventing the AIDS Virus* > > > or watch https://brandnewtube.com > /watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html > "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved > in the HIV=AIDS scam." > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > wrote: > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > > wrote: > > Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! > My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started > 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an > irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal > and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. > Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. > > > Simon Frech > Technical Director > Redwood Community Radio, Inc. > Redway, CA 95560 > > > > -- > Doug McVay > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > cel: 717.940.2154 > twitter: @dougmcvay > skype: dougmcvay > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > From dougmcvay at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:02:55 2021 From: dougmcvay at gmail.com (Doug McVay) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:02:55 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: re Peter Duesberg: "Among the most vocal anti-science denial movements is AIDS Denialism, an outgrowth of the radical views of University of California biologist Peter Duesberg (Duesberg, 1992, 1994; Duesberg & Bialy, 1995; Duesberg & Rasnick, 1998). Duesberg claims that HIV and all other retroviruses are harmless and that AIDS is actually caused by illicit drug abuse, poverty, and antiretroviral medications (Duesberg, Nicholson, Rasnick, Fiala, & Bauer, 2009). Until recently, AIDS scientists have largely ignored denialists, stating that they are no longer relevant and are not a threat to HIV/AIDS treatment and care (Diethelm & McKee, 2009; Moore, Bergman, & Wainberg, 2007)." Kalichman SC, Eaton L, Cherry C. "There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS": AIDS denialism beliefs among people living with HIV/AIDS. J Behav Med. 2010;33(6):432-440. doi:10.1007/s10865-010-9275-7 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3015095/ When people take jerks like that seriously, people die. While we're on the subject, let's go back to underlying conditions. When someone on this thread dismissed a pandemic death with "he had cancer," what I heard was "he was dead anyway so who cares." Perhaps you think that's not fair of me to feel that way but I'm a cancer survivor so when you said that, you were talking about me, so yeah, I took that personally. I'm trying really hard not to mock people who believe in the pseudo-scientific quackery and garbage and woo-woo BS that Null and Duesberg and RFKJr push but that remark got me hella upset. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:23 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every message > w/?covid? in the subject heading ] > > hello everyone: > > I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate > this thread; ? > where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered > intellectually indispensible ? > > > I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned > data/documents relating to, > and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the > injections misleadingly called > vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they > ever intended to do so ) > that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant > questions your attention: > > > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ > > > dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of > Pacificans > in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? > > in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced > attention ? > barbara > > > and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) > duesberg.com > or Duesberg?s latest book, *Inventing the AIDS Virus* > > > or watch https://brandnewtube.com > /watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html > "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved > in the HIV=AIDS scam." > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > wrote: > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > > wrote: > > Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! > My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started > 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an > irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal > and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. > Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. > > > Simon Frech > Technical Director > Redwood Community Radio, Inc. > Redway, CA 95560 > > > > -- > Doug McVay > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > cel: 717.940.2154 > twitter: @dougmcvay > skype: dougmcvay > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > -- Doug McVay Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ cel: 717.940.2154 twitter: @dougmcvay skype: dougmcvay From rivaenteen at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 20:11:34 2021 From: rivaenteen at gmail.com (riva enteen) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:11:34 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: Barbara is right on. I don't think anybody is totally anti vax. Polio is a good one. As Barbara said, they have redefined vaccine to mean a mild case can occur, not that it prevents the disease. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 6:28 PM Philip Tymon via grc wrote: > Lorenzo Milam was crippled his entire life due to polio, his sister died of > it. > > Yes, I wonder what he would think. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:23 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > > > [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every > message > > w/?covid? in the subject heading ] > > > > hello everyone: > > > > I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate > > this thread; ? > > where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone > considered > > intellectually indispensible ? > > > > > > I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned > > data/documents relating to, > > and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the > > injections misleadingly called > > vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they > > ever intended to do so ) > > that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant > > questions your attention: > > > > > > > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ > > > > > > dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of > > Pacificans > > in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? > > > > in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your > unprejudiced > > attention ? > > barbara > > > > > > and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) > > duesberg.com > > or Duesberg?s latest book, *Inventing the AIDS Virus* > > < > https://www.amazon.com/Inventing-AIDS-Virus-Peter-Duesberg/dp/0895264706> > > > > or watch https://brandnewtube.com > > /watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html > > "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud > involved > > in the HIV=AIDS scam." > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > > wrote: > > > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org > > > > > wrote: > > > > Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! > > My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started > > 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an > > irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal > > and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. > > Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. > > > > > > Simon Frech > > Technical Director > > Redwood Community Radio, Inc. > > Redway, CA 95560 > > > > > > > > -- > > Doug McVay > > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > > cel: 717.940.2154 > > twitter: @dougmcvay > > skype: dougmcvay > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From undone at lmi.net Tue Apr 20 20:47:11 2021 From: undone at lmi.net (Barbara Deutsch) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:47:11 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Re: Re: [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: <2F99C7F6-BBBC-44C9-A2D1-4C148350E9B5@lmi.net> Dear Philip, You seem to imply that Lorenzo Milam and his sister could have been recued by a vaccine: polio ( of which my first best friend died; and from which the chemical industries and the March of Dimes, aided by intense propaganda, derived great sums of money ) ended, NOT owing to a vaccine but to the arduous effort that secured the ban on DDT. with utmost respect to Lorenzo Milam?s memory, barbara > On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Philip Tymon wrote: > > Lorenzo Milam was crippled his entire life due to polio, his sister died of it. > > Yes, I wonder what he would think. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:23 PM Barbara Deutsch > wrote: > [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every message w/?covid? in the subject heading ] > > hello everyone: > > I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate this thread; ? > where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered intellectually indispensible ? > > > I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned data/documents relating to, > and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the injections misleadingly called > vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they ever intended to do so ) > that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant questions your attention: > > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ > > dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of Pacificans > in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? > > in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced attention ? > barbara > > > and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) duesberg.com > or Duesberg?s latest book, Inventing the AIDS Virus > or watch https://brandnewtube.com/watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html > "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved in the HIV=AIDS scam." > > > >> On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > wrote: >> >> Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he >> founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. >> https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! >>> My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started >>> 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an >>> irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal >>> and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. >>> Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. >>> >>> >>> Simon Frech >>> Technical Director >>> Redwood Community Radio, Inc. >>> Redway, CA 95560 >>> > >> >> -- >> Doug McVay >> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug >> Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >> cel: 717.940.2154 >> twitter: @dougmcvay >> skype: dougmcvay >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From philiptymon at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 21:12:27 2021 From: philiptymon at gmail.com (Philip Tymon) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:12:27 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Re: Re: [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <2F99C7F6-BBBC-44C9-A2D1-4C148350E9B5@lmi.net> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> <2F99C7F6-BBBC-44C9-A2D1-4C148350E9B5@lmi.net> Message-ID: You asked what Lorenzo would have thought. I replied with a statement of fact about his experience with polio. I didn't imply anything. I simply leave it to conjecture as to what HE would have thought had he been here today. Which was your question. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 8:47 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > Dear Philip, > > You seem to imply that Lorenzo Milam and his sister could have been recued > by a vaccine: > polio ( of which my first best friend died; and from which the chemical > industries and the > March of Dimes, aided by intense propaganda, derived great sums of money ) > ended, > NOT owing to a vaccine but to the arduous effort that secured the ban on > DDT. > > with utmost respect to Lorenzo Milam?s memory, > barbara > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Philip Tymon wrote: > > Lorenzo Milam was crippled his entire life due to polio, his sister died > of it. > > Yes, I wonder what he would think. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:23 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > >> [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every >> message w/?covid? in the subject heading ] >> >> hello everyone: >> >> I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate >> this thread; ? >> where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone >> considered intellectually indispensible ? >> >> >> I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned >> data/documents relating to, >> and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the >> injections misleadingly called >> vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they >> ever intended to do so ) >> that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant >> questions your attention: >> >> >> https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ >> >> >> dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of >> Pacificans >> in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? >> >> in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your >> unprejudiced attention ? >> barbara >> >> >> and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) >> duesberg.com >> or Duesberg?s latest book, *Inventing the AIDS Virus* >> >> >> or watch https://brandnewtube.com >> /watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html >> "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved >> in the HIV=AIDS scam." >> >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc >> wrote: >> >> Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he >> founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. >> https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc < >> grc at maillist.peak.org> >> wrote: >> >> Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! >> My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started >> 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an >> irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal >> and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. >> Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. >> >> >> Simon Frech >> Technical Director >> Redwood Community Radio, Inc. >> Redway, CA 95560 >> >> >> >> -- >> Doug McVay >> Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug >> Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ >> cel: 717.940.2154 >> twitter: @dougmcvay >> skype: dougmcvay >> _______________________________________________ >> grc mailing list >> grc at maillist.peak.org >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc >> >> >> > From president at wortfm.org Tue Apr 20 21:27:13 2021 From: president at wortfm.org (David Devereaux-Weber) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 23:27:13 -0500 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Re: Re: [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <2F99C7F6-BBBC-44C9-A2D1-4C148350E9B5@lmi.net> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> <2F99C7F6-BBBC-44C9-A2D1-4C148350E9B5@lmi.net> Message-ID: Dear Barbara, The generally accepted science on polio is that polio is caused by a virus, and that it was eradicated by vaccines. Here are some citations: https://polioeradication.org https://www.who.int/news-room/photo-story/photo-story-detail/10-facts-on-polio-eradication https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/30/929080692/the-campaign-to-wipe-out-polio-was-going-really-well-until-it-wasnt There is no evidence that polio was or is caused by DDT. Polio is caused by a virus. DDT was an insecticide. Insecticides don't destroy viruses, they kill insects, which can transmit some viruses from person to person. DDT was used by some cities in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s to eradicate flies or mosquitos, which were, at that time, believed to transmit polio. There was no evidence that the use of DDT was effective in reducing the spread of polio, and DDT was later found to be harmful to people and wildlife. Vaccines don't kill viruses. Vaccines work by activating the human bodies' own immune system against a particular virus. The vaccine does not contain the virus. Instead the vaccine carries enough information for the human body to create antibodies that target the particular virus, giving the vaccinated person immunity to that virus. Viruses work by taking over individual cells, and turning them into virus replicating cells. The human host then spreads the virus copies by coughing or sneezing. When a large enough group of people have been vaccinated against a virus, then there is too small of a group of infectible people for the virus to multiply, so it dies out. That situation is sometimes called "herd immunity". If a large enough group of people declines to take a vaccine, herd immunity is lost, the virus can multiply, infect others, and continue to spread. Dave David Devereaux-Weber President, WORT Board of Directors president at wortfm.org (608)576-2599 > From generalrokoyura at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 05:49:01 2021 From: generalrokoyura at gmail.com (evan davis) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: So, this raises the baseline question of when precious resources should be expended to accommodate minority viewpoints that the majority perceives to have little or no merit , or which may even ber hostile to our collective goals. Are we obligated to seek EVERY underrepresented perspective an elevate it to parity within the general dialogue? MUST we debate heliocentricity, or the curvature of the horizon? What about Naziism? Shall we give the Nazis equal time in the service of fairness and open-mindedness? Misinformation has consequences. That awareness is at the root of our mission. We expose and contradict misconceptions about race, sex, wars, capitalism, fossil fuels, climate disruption, unhealthy diets, etc with the understanding that the prevailing narratives, when wrong, sanction and foster policies and behaviors that do tangible harm. We review the best available data, and we vet the sources more thoroughly than most, and we are guided by a sense of justice and equality, and inclusiveness, with the goal of promoting intercultural understanding and informed action. Taking a stand, especially one that simply reaffirms a commitment to accuracy is not some dangerous plunge in to hypocrisy. Rather, it sets a reasonable threshold for outspoken viewpoints to demonstrate merit for inclusion. We can be open minded, and diligent at the same time. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:23 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every message > w/?covid? in the subject heading ] > > hello everyone: > > I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate > this thread; ? > where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered > intellectually indispensible ? > > > I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned > data/documents relating to, > and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the > injections misleadingly called > vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they > ever intended to do so ) > that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant > questions your attention: > > > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ > > > dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of > Pacificans > in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? > > in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced > attention ? > barbara > > > and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) > duesberg.com > or Duesberg?s latest book, *Inventing the AIDS Virus* > > > or watch https://brandnewtube.com > /watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html > "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved > in the HIV=AIDS scam." > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > wrote: > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > > wrote: > > Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! > My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started > 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an > irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal > and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. > Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. > > > Simon Frech > Technical Director > Redwood Community Radio, Inc. > Redway, CA 95560 > > > > -- > Doug McVay > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > cel: 717.940.2154 > twitter: @dougmcvay > skype: dougmcvay > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > From loonfoot at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 06:08:14 2021 From: loonfoot at gmail.com (Robert Park) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:08:14 -0500 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Re: Re: [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> <2F99C7F6-BBBC-44C9-A2D1-4C148350E9B5@lmi.net> Message-ID: Well said David. Thank you. Bob Park, Program Director WIDE-LP 99.1 FM Madison http://widelp.org/ https://twitter.com/WIDE_LP https://www.facebook.com/WIDE.LP.99.1/ On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:27 PM David Devereaux-Weber via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > Dear Barbara, > > The generally accepted science on polio is that polio is caused by a virus, > and that it was eradicated by vaccines. Here are some citations: > > https://polioeradication.org > > > https://www.who.int/news-room/photo-story/photo-story-detail/10-facts-on-polio-eradication > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine > > https://www.cdc.gov/polio/what-is-polio/polio-us.html > > > https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/10/30/929080692/the-campaign-to-wipe-out-polio-was-going-really-well-until-it-wasnt > > There is no evidence that polio was or is caused by DDT. Polio is caused by > a virus. DDT was an insecticide. Insecticides don't destroy viruses, they > kill insects, which can transmit some viruses from person to person. > > DDT was used by some cities in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s to > eradicate flies or mosquitos, which were, at that time, believed to > transmit polio. There was no evidence that the use of DDT was effective in > reducing the spread of polio, and DDT was later found to be harmful to > people and wildlife. > > Vaccines don't kill viruses. Vaccines work by activating the human bodies' > own immune system against a particular virus. The vaccine does not contain > the virus. Instead the vaccine carries enough information for the human > body to create antibodies that target the particular virus, giving the > vaccinated person immunity to that virus. > > Viruses work by taking over individual cells, and turning them into virus > replicating cells. The human host then spreads the virus copies by coughing > or sneezing. > > When a large enough group of people have been vaccinated against a virus, > then there is too small of a group of infectible people for the virus to > multiply, so it dies out. That situation is sometimes called "herd > immunity". > > If a large enough group of people declines to take a vaccine, herd immunity > is lost, the virus can multiply, infect others, and continue to spread. > > Dave > > David Devereaux-Weber > President, WORT Board of Directors > president at wortfm.org > (608)576-2599 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From rivaenteen at gmail.com Wed Apr 21 08:43:45 2021 From: rivaenteen at gmail.com (riva enteen) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:43:45 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: *We review the best available data,* It is being hidden, so we need to dig for it, or we are all subject to groupthink. That's why the article Barbara cited, reasons not to get the vaccine, deserves to be on Pacifia's airwaves. On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 5:49 AM evan davis via grc wrote: > So, this raises the baseline question of when precious resources should be > expended to accommodate minority viewpoints that the majority perceives to > have little or no merit , or which may even ber hostile to our collective > goals. Are we obligated to seek EVERY underrepresented perspective an > elevate it to parity within the general dialogue? MUST we debate > heliocentricity, or the curvature of the horizon? What about Naziism? Shall > we give the Nazis equal time in the service of fairness and > open-mindedness? > > Misinformation has consequences. That awareness is at the root of our > mission. We expose and contradict misconceptions about race, sex, wars, > capitalism, fossil fuels, climate disruption, unhealthy diets, etc with the > understanding that the prevailing narratives, when wrong, sanction and > foster policies and behaviors that do tangible harm. We review the best > available data, and we vet the sources more thoroughly than most, and we > are guided by a sense of justice and equality, and inclusiveness, with the > goal of promoting intercultural understanding and informed action. Taking a > stand, especially one that simply reaffirms a commitment to accuracy is not > some dangerous plunge in to hypocrisy. Rather, it sets a reasonable > threshold for outspoken viewpoints to demonstrate merit for inclusion. We > can be open minded, and diligent at the same time. > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:23 PM Barbara Deutsch wrote: > > > [ as you may note above, my ?Apple? computer labels as SPAM, every > message > > w/?covid? in the subject heading ] > > > > hello everyone: > > > > I?m imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate > > this thread; ? > > where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone > considered > > intellectually indispensible ? > > > > > > I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned > > data/documents relating to, > > and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, ?covid? / the > > injections misleadingly called > > vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they > > ever intended to do so ) > > that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant > > questions your attention: > > > > > > > https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ > > > > > > dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of > > Pacificans > > in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? > > > > in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your > unprejudiced > > attention ? > > barbara > > > > > > and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) > > duesberg.com > > or Duesberg?s latest book, *Inventing the AIDS Virus* > > < > https://www.amazon.com/Inventing-AIDS-Virus-Peter-Duesberg/dp/0895264706> > > > > or watch https://brandnewtube.com > > /watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html > > "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud > involved > > in the HIV=AIDS scam." > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > > wrote: > > > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc < > grc at maillist.peak.org > > > > > wrote: > > > > Wow, I can?t believe Gary Null is still on the air! > > My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started > > 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an > > irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal > > and mineral concoctions? We got rid of the show in the early nineties. > > Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. > > > > > > Simon Frech > > Technical Director > > Redwood Community Radio, Inc. > > Redway, CA 95560 > > > > > > > > -- > > Doug McVay > > Editor, Health Systems Facts https://healthsystemsfacts.org/ and Drug > > Policy Facts https://www.drugpolicyfacts.org/ > > cel: 717.940.2154 > > twitter: @dougmcvay > > skype: dougmcvay > > _______________________________________________ > > grc mailing list > > grc at maillist.peak.org > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From mike at brownbroadcast.com Wed Apr 21 09:36:04 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:36:04 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> Message-ID: <005c01d736cc$6c655ed0$45301c70$@brownbroadcast.com> Rebuttal to the Children's Health Defense/Christian Elliot article: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/christian-elliots-18-reasons-i-wont-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine-viral-antivaccine-misinformation/ Michael Brown === -----Original Message----- From: grc On Behalf Of Barbara Deutsch via grc Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 6:23 PM To: Ann Garrison ; Arnold Levine ; adrienne at sonic.net Cc: David Goodman ; Evan Davis ; Chase Spross via grc Subject: Re: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? [ as you may note above, my "Apple" computer labels as SPAM, every message w/"covid" in the subject heading ] hello everyone: I'm imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate this thread; - where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered intellectually indispensible ? I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned data/documents relating to, and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, "covid" / the injections misleadingly called vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they ever intended to do so ) that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant questions your attention: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of Pacificans in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced attention - barbara and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) duesberg.com or Duesberg's latest book, Inventing the AIDS Virus or watch https://brandnewtube.com/watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved in the HIV=AIDS scam." > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > wrote: > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > wrote: > >> Wow, I can't believe Gary Null is still on the air! >> My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started >> 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an >> irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal >> and mineral concoctions. We got rid of the show in the early nineties. >> Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. >> >> >> Simon Frech >> Technical Director >> Redwood Community Radio, Inc. >> Redway, CA 95560 From creinsch at krabarchive.com Wed Apr 21 10:13:28 2021 From: creinsch at krabarchive.com (Charles Reinsch) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 10:13:28 -0700 Subject: [grc] covid, Milam, money, money, money Message-ID: Following this thread, and seeing Lorenzo Milam's name invoked in a discussion of the use of "non-commercial" broadcast services for profiteering by vendors of vitamin supplements and crackpot "science"*, I feel compelled to add 2 bits. There seems to be, in this thread, a confusion as to what exactly qualifies as a "minority viewpoint", and when fulfilling your station's mission requires that it be represented in your broadcast. Lorenzo, and KRAB, were cautious when approached by? suspiciously generous people offering to lift us out of poverty by using our facility to promote their pet project.? They were thanked for their concern, and shown the door.? If you listen to Lorenzo's speech at the 1976 Telluride conference, you will hear him repeat, more than once, that he hoped the conversation would get away from money. From the early days Lorenzo liked an open-ended panel discussion format for creating an environment where ideas could be challenged.? It was when, in these "forums", the participants reached some level of common understanding that they achieved a bit of what Hill (and Milam) dreamed a studio, a microphone, and a transmitter could do. *Years ago I was shocked when I heard Null's "infomercials" on WBAI.? Later, the shock was doubled when I heard his promotional appeals on KPFK.? As a result I stopped listening to both. chuck -- Charles Reinsch KRAB Archive: www.krabarchive.com From mike at brownbroadcast.com Wed Apr 21 11:06:49 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:06:49 -0700 Subject: [grc] NCE FILING WINDOW just announced -- November 2021 Message-ID: <008401d736d9$1a772ce0$4f6586a0$@brownbroadcast.com> https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-21-463A1.pdf Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. 3740 SW Comus St. ? Portland OR 97219-7418 USA mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org Wed Apr 21 11:21:13 2021 From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:21:13 -0500 Subject: [grc] covid, Milam, money, money, money In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18b680f8-bdcd-3ad6-2fc7-e66bee8219e5@effectivedefense.org> LEGAL LIABILITY: The US Supreme Court in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan (1964) declared that a publisher like NYT or WBAI could be sued for defamation. Dominion Voting Systems filed defamation lawsuits against former Trump campaign lawyers Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani, each for $1.3 billion. Smartmatic has similarly sued Fox Corporation and its anchors Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, and Jeanine Pirro as well as Giuliani and Powell for $2.7 billion.[1] Powell's attorney argued that, "no reasonable person would conclude that the statements [by Powell about the 2020 election] were truly statements of fact", and moreover that Dominion could not prove that Powell took action with "actual malice", because "she believed the allegations then and she believes them now".[2] Powell's "unreasonable" defense effectively says that anyone who believed that Dominion and Smartmatic illegally altered the count in last November's election, as apparently portrayed in many popular videos, are "unreasonable". That probably includes 100 percent of the people who stormed the Capitol January 6 as well as probably the vast majority of people who will vote Republican in the next couple of years. CONCLUSION: Gary Null, WBAI, and Pacifica could similarly be sued for things that Null has said on the air, in the same way that Powell, Giuliani, Dobbs, Bartiromo, Pirro, and Fox are currently being sued. The pending suits may not bankrupt Fox, but they might bankrupt Powell, Giuliani, Dobbs, Bartiromo, and Pirro. And crudely similar lawsuits might bankrupt Null, WBAI, and Pacifica. VACCINE EFFICACY: What are the anti-vaxxers saying about smallpox? The last diagnosis of smallpox was issued in 1977, and the World Health Organization (WHO) officially declared its global eradication in 1980.[3] Are anti-vaxxers saying that (a) smallpox never existed or (b) it disappeared for other reasons or (c) it still exists, and physicians, the WHO, and others are covering up news of more recent cases? Spencer Graves [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Powell [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases#Smallpox On 4/21/21 12:13 PM, Charles Reinsch via grc wrote: > Following this thread, and seeing Lorenzo Milam's name invoked in a > discussion of the use of "non-commercial" broadcast services for > profiteering by vendors of vitamin supplements and crackpot "science"*, > I feel compelled to add 2 bits. > > There seems to be, in this thread, a confusion as to what exactly > qualifies as a "minority viewpoint", and when fulfilling your station's > mission requires that it be represented in your broadcast. > > Lorenzo, and KRAB, were cautious when approached by? suspiciously > generous people offering to lift us out of poverty by using our facility > to promote their pet project.? They were thanked for their concern, and > shown the door.? If you listen to Lorenzo's speech at the 1976 Telluride > conference, you will hear him repeat, more than once, that he hoped the > conversation would get away from money. > > From the early days Lorenzo liked an open-ended panel discussion format > for creating an environment where ideas could be challenged.? It was > when, in these "forums", the participants reached some level of common > understanding that they achieved a bit of what Hill (and Milam) dreamed > a studio, a microphone, and a transmitter could do. > > *Years ago I was shocked when I heard Null's "infomercials" on WBAI. > Later, the shock was doubled when I heard his promotional appeals on > KPFK.? As a result I stopped listening to both. > > chuck > From jcostello at igc.org Wed Apr 21 16:46:29 2021 From: jcostello at igc.org (James Costello) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:46:29 -0700 Subject: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: <005c01d736cc$6c655ed0$45301c70$@brownbroadcast.com> References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> <9895807A-E343-44DC-AA95-BDABC6FD226A@lmi.net> <005c01d736cc$6c655ed0$45301c70$@brownbroadcast.com> Message-ID: <1BF41F34-6124-4BA2-9DB6-157797CF9765@igc.org> Michael, Thank you for this! James Costello, PA Physicians' Assistant General Manager, KCBP Radio jcostello at igc.org ?On 4/21/21, 9:36 AM, "grc on behalf of Michael D. Brown via grc" wrote: Rebuttal to the Children's Health Defense/Christian Elliot article: https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/christian-elliots-18-reasons-i-wont-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine-viral-antivaccine-misinformation/ Michael Brown === -----Original Message----- From: grc On Behalf Of Barbara Deutsch via grc Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 6:23 PM To: Ann Garrison ; Arnold Levine ; adrienne at sonic.net Cc: David Goodman ; Evan Davis ; Chase Spross via grc Subject: Re: [grc] [!!SP: THIS MESSAGE IS SPAM] Grc statement on covid? [ as you may note above, my "Apple" computer labels as SPAM, every message w/"covid" in the subject heading ] hello everyone: I'm imagining what Lorenzo Milam might think of assumptions that dominate this thread; - where is the inquisitive spirit, the skepticism that I.F. Stone considered intellectually indispensible ? I suggest to anyone who has not carefully reviewed and questioned data/documents relating to, and consequences actual and potential, ascribed to, "covid" / the injections misleadingly called vaccines ( they do not prevent infection or transmission, nor were they ever intended to do so ) that you give this lay attempt to provide such a review and resultant questions your attention: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/reasons-not-getting-covid-vaccine/ dare I hope that some of you may find the courage of L.M. himself ( or of Pacificans in the 50s and 60s ) to read it on-air ? in any case, my thanks to any of you who have given this your unprejudiced attention - barbara and, to Simon Frech: would you please open ( first your mind, and then ) duesberg.com or Duesberg's latest book, Inventing the AIDS Virus or watch https://brandnewtube.com/watch/aids-fauci-039-s-first-fraud_bGc35qwkvIpeCsh.html "This well referenced work, demonstrates in fine detail the fraud involved in the HIV=AIDS scam." > On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:04 AM, Doug McVay via grc > wrote: > > Null's show is syndicated by the Progressive Radio Network, which he > founded. The last of his shows I could find on Audioport were from 2015. > https://prn.fm/about/gary-null/ > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:59 AM Simon Frech via grc > wrote: > >> Wow, I can't believe Gary Null is still on the air! >> My memory is that our station had him on in the early years (we started >> 1987), but during the AIDS crisis it became clear that Mr. Null was an >> irresponsible effing HIV denialist nutcase, selling his vitamins, herbal >> and mineral concoctions. We got rid of the show in the early nineties. >> Incredible that WBAI has him still on the air. >> >> >> Simon Frech >> Technical Director >> Redwood Community Radio, Inc. >> Redway, CA 95560 _______________________________________________ grc mailing list grc at maillist.peak.org http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From wings at wings.org Wed Apr 21 17:21:03 2021 From: wings at wings.org (Frieda Werden) Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:21:03 -0700 Subject: [grc] Grc statement on covid? In-Reply-To: References: <607e0bf9.1c69fb81.f587f.9d4f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My uncle died of pneumonia after being diagnosed with covid, but his death was declared due to pneumonia and not the covid. I think the number of deaths from covid is as likely to be underreported as overreported. On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 10:13 AM Ann Garrison via grc wrote: > I read a news report that someone with gunshot wounds died of COVID, and > another about someone who had Stage 4 cancer and then had a heart attack. > But again, I'm speaking as someone who's been vaccinated. I don't doubt > that COVID is real but I think the numbers may be inflated for whatever > reason. And I think that the censorship is dangerous. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:56 AM riva enteen wrote: > > > I agree with Ann. > > > > And this is true: "tens of thousands of doctors" have signed on to a > > letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative treatments (including > > Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or discouraged > > > > Frankly, there is significant data that Hydroxichloroquin works, which is > > NOT bleach. > > > > They count covid deaths as covid only, not related to comorbidities, but > > deaths from vaccines are deaths from comorbidities, not the vax. > > > > But I'm a crackpot. > > > https://blackagendareport.com/reality-police-erase-lesbians-covid-skeptics-and-democracy > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:50 AM Ann Garrison via grc < > > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > > > >> I think there's a danger to censoring this. As Glen Greenwald said, > >> "There's of course a danger to spreading misinformation, but the danger > of > >> censoring it is worse." Also, I know Pacifica listeners who believe what > >> Gary Null said and they're not crackpots on other subjects, so I > wouldn't > >> just assume that they are on this or at least some of it. And I'm > speaking > >> as someone who's been vaccinated. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:06 AM Rajesh Barnabas via grc < > >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > >> > Yes just like black men are dying at the hands of police from > >> > co-morbidities... > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 11:32 AM generalrokoyura via grc < > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > >> > > >> > > I just caught the first few minutes of Gary Null's show on WBAI > while > >> > > driving away from the signal area. It made me so mad and disgusted > >> that I > >> > > wanted to crash the car in to a pole just to destroy the radio.In > the > >> > first > >> > > 5 minutes of the show, Null recited the usual litany of > >> pandemic-denial > >> > > conspiracy garbage talking.points, claiming that Covid deaths are > >> > > "negligible", and that people are dying, instead, from > >> "co-morbidities", > >> > > that the World Health Organization is doing the bidding of Bill > Gates, > >> > "the > >> > > most powerful man in the world", that "tens of thousands of doctors" > >> have > >> > > signed on to a letter calling Covid a hoax, and that preventative > >> > > treatments (including Hydroxichloroquin) are being denied or > >> > discouraged.He > >> > > stopped short of recommending bleach injections, but he sounded like > >> an > >> > > artificially calm and articulate Alex Jones.Would there, perhaps, be > >> > value > >> > > in the GRC issuing a collective editorial statement indicating that > we > >> > take > >> > > our collective public health responsibilitie > >> > > s seriously and expressing a commitment to broadcasting accurate, > >> > > verified information?My concern is that community radio stations be > >> seen > >> > as > >> > > beacons of sanity, not as magnets for fact-and-analysis-averse > >> > > slepticism-junkies who might, on another day, be theatening public > >> > > health.officials, or storming their places of employment.Sent from > my > >> > > Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > grc mailing list > >> > > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > grc mailing list > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org > >> > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sincerely, > >> @AnnGarrison > >> Independent Journalist, > >> SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > >> 415-503-7487 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> grc mailing list > >> grc at maillist.peak.org > >> http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > >> > > > > -- > Sincerely, > @AnnGarrison > Independent Journalist, > SKYPE: Ann Garrison, Oakland > 415-503-7487 > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > -- Frieda Werden, Series Producer WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 16:56:02 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 16:56:02 -0700 Subject: [grc] Heartland Stories This Week Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:DR. 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