From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 11:28:37 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 12:28:37 -0700 Subject: [grc] This week on Heartland Stories Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:SARAH MINNICH, CHEF AND CO-OWNER OF LOVELYS FIFTY FIFTY IN PORTLAND, OREGON. Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Sarah Minnich, Chef and Co-Owner of Lovelys Fifty Fifty in Portland, Oregon. Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: This week, host Theresa Marquez, talks food and art with Sarah Minnich. Sarah Minnich Notes: Credits: Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Radio is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Host, Theresa Marquez Topics Family Farm | Organic Farming | Food and Nutrition Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:04 02-07-21 13:26 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 54665 02-07-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:04 heartlandstories02072021 128Kbps mp3 (26.56MB) Stereo -- Charlie Knower, Producer 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com From mike at brownbroadcast.com Mon Feb 8 00:06:10 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 00:06:10 -0800 Subject: [grc] Radio for People Zoom call Tuesday February 9, at 11AM PST / 2PM EST Message-ID: <00a901d6fdf1$448e2400$cdaa6c00$@brownbroadcast.com> This month's Radio For People Zoom Conference Call will be this Tuesday February 9 at 11AM PST / 2PM EST. This month we will again use Zoom, using the same link as last month. For security, the link is not posted publicly. If you need a link to the meeting, please email: betty at c-map.org >>We are still evaluating Jitsu, as an alternative to Zoom. At this early point, we?ve found several serious problems, and will be looking for solutions.<< Tentative Agenda: --FCC Updates (including applications and grants) --Station Updates --GRC conference planning for next year --Other conferences and training --SCOTUS hears oral arguments in Prometheus case --Vaccine related issues --Anything else? Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. 3740 SW Comus St. ? Portland OR 97219-7418 USA mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 ? fax 503-912-7562 From WBCN_and_The_American_Revoluiton at mail.vresp.com Mon Feb 8 13:26:16 2021 From: WBCN_and_The_American_Revoluiton at mail.vresp.com (WBCN and The American Revoluiton) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 21:26:16 +0000 Subject: [grc] [ADV] WBCN film among 240 Oscar-eligible documentaries Message-ID: <986e5ef827-grc=peak.org@mail.vresp.com> WBCN and The American Revolution The incredible, true story of how a radio station, politics, and rock and roll changed everything. Following sold-out film festival screenings nationwide and great reviews, the landmark documentary continues its virtual theatrical screenings to benefit community movie theatres and radio stations across the country. Experience the amazing, untold story of the early days of Boston?s radical underground radio station WBCN, set against the dazzling and profound social, political, and cultural changes in the late-1960s and early-70s. This engaging film features the era's actual sights, sounds, and stories, set against the music and counterculture, militant anti-war activism, civil rights struggles and emerging women?s and LGBTQ-liberation movements. Click here to rent and screen online this award-winning documentary now. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/683f9c5c6b Coming in 2021: Airing on Public TV stations across the country; on home video (DVD's and Amazon); and a companion book with 200+ images on MIT Press. Upcoming Special Events: - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/3b7a42f5c7 Screen "WBCN and The American Revolution," watch special online performance of "The Boneheads" performing music from documentary, and join Bill Lichtenstein and festival executive director Barbara Merson for live virtual Q&A Zoom conversation on Sat, Nov. 20 at 2pm. Click here for admission. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/c30671b20e Screen "WBCN and The American Revolution" online and support the following theatres at this critical time: The NEON theatre in Dayton, Ohio. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/8d8820afb2 The Renew Theatres (Ambler Theater, County Theater, Hiway Theater, and Priceton Garden Theater) in Pennsylvania. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/102c7c2391 Phoenix Ivy Council with live Q&A with documentary director Bill Lichtenstein and Arizona Journalist of the Year Steve Krafft on Sunday, December 6th. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/a8a84a40cd ARTICLES - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/8cc5433191 "Soundtrack of a City: A documentary about Boston's legendary radio station WBCN forges a new way of finding, sharing, and collecting the past." Click here to read article in UMass Amherst's BookMark magazine. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/edb4d645bb "Honoring the Rollicking Radio Revolution Led by WBCN: An award-winning documentary honors role radio plays in fighting for justice and change. - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/716637ac07 " FESTIVAL AWARDS: "Best Documentary," DC Independent Film Festival. "Centerpiece: Spotlight Documentary," Independent Film Festival of Boston. "Showcase Documentary," Newburyport Documentary Film Festival. WHAT CRITICS ARE SAYING: "I watched the movie with awe," Ty Burr, Boston Sunday Globe "Timely as all hell," Source Weekly, Bend, OR "Often raucous and merry . . . a loving profile," Cambridge Day "Cements the radio station?s place in music history," WBUR, Boston "Before commercialism, consultants, and greed sucked the soul out of original free-form underground rock radio, a small band of young heroes, women and men, black and white, straight and gay, passionate, political, funny as fuck, fearless and revolutionary, used the airwaves to expose the music and the ideas that shaped how every college kid thought, felt and acted for the rest of our lives," Rob Barnett, former CBS Radio President of Programming, and VH1 VP of Programming . - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/204ab0248a Click here to see trailer and rent film now! - https://cts.vresp.com/c/?LichtensteinCreative/986e5ef827/e6ab93124e/427becebab Photos by Peter Simon, Barry Schneier, and Ron Pownall. 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Lichtenstein Creative Media, Inc. 210 Broadway Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139 US Read the VerticalResponse marketing policy: http://www.verticalresponse.com/content/pm_policy.html From wpvm.103.7 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 14:30:58 2021 From: wpvm.103.7 at gmail.com (WPVM 103.7 fm) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:30:58 -0500 Subject: [grc] Monthly GRC Virtual meeting Feb 10, 7:00 Eastern Message-ID: All community stations are invited to the monthly GRC virtual meeting. Topic this month is; name some of your favorite shows and why, either from your station or from elsewhere. We'll begin at 8:00. The room will be open from 7:50 for early arrivals. Special thanks to WXOX & Sharon Scott for the Grassroots graphic. Topic: GRC MONTHLY VIRTUAL MEETING Time: Feb 10, 2021 08:00 PM Eastern Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://us02web.zoom.us/j/87233467088 Meeting ID: 872 3346 7088 [image: GRC Virtual Meeting graphic.png] Davyne Dial General Manager Phone - 828 542 0060 [image: VoA Logo 12.2020.png] www.wpvmfm.org 34 Wall St. Suite 407 Asheville NC 28801 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: VoA Logo 12.2020.png Type: image/png Size: 57482 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GRC Virtual Meeting graphic.png Type: image/png Size: 281495 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mike at brownbroadcast.com Mon Feb 8 23:39:07 2021 From: mike at brownbroadcast.com (Michael D. Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 23:39:07 -0800 Subject: [grc] Radio for People Zoom call TODAY Tuesday February 9, at 11AM PST / 2PM EST Message-ID: <010d01d6feb6$a69a2070$f3ce6150$@brownbroadcast.com> This month's Radio For People Zoom Conference Call will be TODAY Tuesday February 9 at 11AM PST / 2PM EST. This month we will again use Zoom, using the same link as last month. For security, the link is not posted publicly. If you need a link to the meeting, please email: betty at c-map.org >>We are still evaluating Jitsu, as an alternative to Zoom. At this early point, we?ve found several serious problems, and will be looking for solutions.<< Tentative Agenda: --FCC Updates (including applications and grants) --Station Updates --GRC conference planning for next year --Other conferences and training --SCOTUS hears oral arguments in Prometheus case --Vaccine related issues --Anything else? Michael D. Brown Brown Broadcast Services, Inc. 3740 SW Comus St. ? Portland OR 97219-7418 USA mike at brownbroadcast.com ? www.brownbroadcast.com offc 503-245-6065 ? cell 503-703-3202 ? fax 503-912-7562 From funferal at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 05:34:43 2021 From: funferal at gmail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Andrew_=C3=93_Baoill?=) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:34:43 +0000 Subject: [grc] WRFU dance party / fundraiser (for new Tx) online tomorrow 10th February Message-ID: Hi All, WRFU-LP in Urbana, IL is currently fundraising for a new transmitter - they are currently off-air, but hope to be back broadcasting by the end of the month. They, and UC-IMC are hosting a Zoom-based dance party / fundraiser tomorrow evening, 10th February (links below). If you are so inclined, and in a position to offer support, donations are welcome at: Https://www.ucimc.org/slcdonate Andrew This *Wednesday Feb 10th,* on the UCIMC's Sounds Like Community program ( https://www.ucimc.org/slc >), there will be a *WRFU Dance Party & Fundraiser *Please share the event with friends! https://www.facebook.com/ucimc/photos/gm.261764178653522/10159418826764345 > * 7:00 PM -- Local Musician Feature DJ BJ Clark with Jada Moseley, Julian the God, Kevin Cory Lesure, Ant-Dogg, CU Bands & Fans 7:45PM -- DJ Dance Party DJ set by Christopher Kinson a.k.a. DJ CK * Hope you can join us! And encourage people to donate something in support of WRFU if they can. Why do this? Because, *this last week, we ordered a replacement for the broken WRFU transmitter. * The new one, made by Ecreso, will be here toward late February. The new transmitter will be (we trust) more reliable than the Nicom one we've had - it comes recommended by Petri Dish, who was key in setting up this station and lots of others. The new transmitter cost around $3300, which is equal to a year's budget for everything else the station does. The IMC has generously fronted the money, but if we can more or less pay them back over time through fundraising, that'll be a good thing. Thanks to DJ BJ Clark and Miriam for putting together this fundraiser! From wpvm.103.7 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 07:44:02 2021 From: wpvm.103.7 at gmail.com (WPVM 103.7 fm) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:44:02 -0500 Subject: [grc] REMINDER - GRC Virtual Meeting today 8:00 pm Eastern Message-ID: All community stations are invited to the monthly GRC virtual meeting. Topic this month is; name some of your favorite shows and why, either from your station or from elsewhere. We'll begin at 8:00. The room will be open from 7:50 for early arrivals. 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Name: GRC Virtual Meeting graphic.png Type: image/png Size: 281495 bytes Desc: not available URL: From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 10:06:05 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:06:05 -0700 Subject: [grc] Heartland Stories this week Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:ODESSA PIPER, JAMES BEARD AWARD WINNER AND PIONEER IN FARM TO TABLE MOVEMENT. Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Odessa Piper, James Beard award winner and pioneer in farm to table movement. Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: This week, Theresa speaks with chef Odessa Piper. In 1976, Odessa opened her own restaurant, LEtoile, on Madison WIs capital square. At a time when there was no local supply infrastructure, Odessa drew on her early experiences to cultivate a network of local organic farms and artisans to supply her restaurant. She acknowledged their role by naming and locating them on her menu, and encouraged farmers to build their brands, pool their efforts, and diversify their markets with organic products, winter vegetables from solar hoop houses, and pasture-grazed meats. Odessa was named the James Beard Foundation Best Chef Midwest"2002. In recognition of her contribution to the regions artisanal and sustainable agriculture, the University of Wisconsin"Madison awarded Odessa an honorary doctorate in humane letters in 2006. Odessa Piper Notes: Credits: Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Radio is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Episodes are available on Audioport. Search for Heartland Stories or follow this link: http://audioport.org/index.php?op=series&series=Heartland+Stories Or on our Podcast page: https://heartlandstories.libsyn.com/ Host, Theresa Marquez Topics Family Farm | Organic Farming | Food and Nutrition Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:04 02-14-21 12:04 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 02-14-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:04 heartlandstories02142021 128Kbps mp3 (26.56MB) Stereo -- Charlie Knower 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com From manager at kboo.org Fri Feb 19 07:54:53 2021 From: manager at kboo.org (Station Manager) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:54:53 -0800 Subject: [grc] Hiring a Membership Director Message-ID: KBOO Community Radio in Portland, OR is hiring for a Membership Director. Applications are due March 15. See https://kboo.fm/hiring-membership-director-2021 for full job description. -Jenna [image: signature logo_evergreen.png] *Celeste Carey (she/her) & * *Jenna Yokoyama (she/they)* *Interim Station Co-Managers* KBOO-FM | 503-231-8032 ext 246 20 SE 8th Ave., Portland, OR 97214 manager at kboo.fm | kboo.fm Join KBOO ? help revolutionize the media. [image: facebook logo (1).png] [image: twitter logo (1).jpg] [image: instagram-vetor1 (1).png] *Acknowledgment ? KBOO Radio Station is located in Portland, Oregon in Multnomah County. We honor the Indigenous people whose traditional and ancestral homelands we stand on: the Multnomah, Kathlamet, Clackamas, Tumwater, Watlala bands of the Chinook, the Tualatin Kalapuya and many other Indigenous nations of the Willamette and Columbia River regions. It is important to acknowledge the ancestors of this land and to recognize that we are here because of the sacrifices forced upon them. In remembering these communities, we honor their legacy, their lives, and their descendants with the forming of relationships to each other and the living world.* From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 11:23:42 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:23:42 -0700 Subject: [grc] This week on Heartland Radio Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:DR. BRUCE LAMPHEAR, TOXIC CHEMICALS AND CHILDRENS HEALTH. Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Dr. Bruce Lamphear, Toxic Chemicals and Childrens Health. Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Bi-Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: This week, Theresa interviews Dr. Bruce Lamphear. The goal of Dr. Lanphears research is to prevent common diseases and disabilities in children, such as asthma, injuries and ADHD. Initially, his research seeks to quantify the impact of a variety of risk factors " from exposures to heavy metals and chemicals, maternal depression, poor housing quality and poverty " to understand why some children develop learning problems, behavioural problems, injuries or asthma. To accurately quantify the contribution of risk factors, his research tests various ways to measure childrens exposures using novel biomarkers, parent report or observational surveys. His research also explores how genes impact children susceptibility or resiliency to a variety of environmental risk factors. Finally, Dr. Lanphear attempts to design studies to test the benefits of reducing childrens exposures to environmental hazards. Dr. Bruce Lamphear Notes: Credits: Heartland Radio: Cultivating Change Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Radio is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Theresa Marquez, Host. Topics Family Farm | Organic Farming | Children and Reproductive Health | Food and Nutrition Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:04 02-21-21 13:22 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 02-21-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:04 heartlandstories02212021 128Kbps mp3 (26.56MB) Stereo [image: Download] 0 -- Charlie Knower 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com From leigh at krfp.org Mon Feb 22 10:12:31 2021 From: leigh at krfp.org (Leigh Robartes) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:12:31 -0800 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> I have a question for those who are in charge of e-mail lists for deejays at stations, or perhaps for the administrator of this list. ? Our e-mail list administrator was noting some e-mails sent to our modest e-mail list (about 160 addresses, since paired down to 77 addresses) are sometimes being blocked by Google, at least the ones sent to gmail addresses.?? Our e-mail list is an important organizing tool, and a good way to keep in touch w/ former deejays who might want to start volunteering again now that Covid has changed their life around. The administrator claims that if we move our e-mail list to Google Services we would avoid the problem, but obviously we can't do this for ethical reasons, mainly because (as I am told) moving to Google Services would mean all of our @krfp.org accounts would be become disguised @gmail.com accounts. ? Google has been harvesting the actual text of e-mail messages sent and received from gmail accounts for years, and although they apparently no longer sell that info for advertising purposes, the company still has cached everything written, which is a violation of privacy. We got a list of e-mail messages Google blocked from an ISP and a message from a tech there who wrote: <<>> to accept email from other servers, the spf record contains ??all?, meaning make up your own mind about accepting email from servers not listed. Google deems all email sent from a server not listed as spam and rejects it. The line: ?This is the mail system at host _ofagrave02.hostedemail.com_ ? suggest the email is coming from email system not among those listed in your spf record. Best guess, since Google doesn?t publish how they make up their minds about an email. The other possibility is pointed to by the ?_https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError_ ?to 421 4.7.28.? The numbers at the end refer to email being sent at a rate higher than Google allows ? for example, from a bulk email program or service. Google is very aggressive. <<>> The above message implies Google is not letting _non-spam_ e-mails through, justifying the practice by saying they are suspected spam. _My Question:_ How can you operate an e-mail list (some of them, such as GRC, which have hundreds of addresses) without getting messages blocked and without going through Google Services?? Do we need to change to a different service? ? What do you use? Have you been able to avoid problems like this? -- Leigh Robartes Station Manager KRFP / Radio Free Moscow, Inc. 90.3 FM Moscow, Idaho 208 892 9300 From president at wortfm.org Mon Feb 22 12:46:55 2021 From: president at wortfm.org (David Devereaux-Weber) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:46:55 -0600 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> Message-ID: Hi Leigh, WORT uses G Suite for Nonprofits. Our website is hosted by a local company, but our email is hosted by Google. Our email addresses are xxx at wortfm.org. G Suite at the basic level is free. We also get Google Groups (email lists), Google Drive, a YouTube channel, and other features. https://www.google.com/nonprofits/offerings/g-suite/ Regular Gmail looks at the content of your email and uses it to improve the recommendations for Google Ads and in Google searches. The Gmail in G Suite for nonprofits does not display ads. Whether or not you use G Suite for Nonprofits, Google has Google Adwords for nonprofits. That is, you have several thousands of dollars of Google Adwords for your station. So if you buy the words News and Madison, Wisconsin, if people in Madison search for news, they might get a Google add that shows http://wortfm.org/news Feel free to talk to me directly if you have questions. Dave David Devereaux-Weber President, WORT Board of Directors president at wortfm.org (608)576-2599 On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:15 PM Leigh Robartes via grc < grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote: > I have a question for those who are in charge of e-mail lists for > deejays at stations, or perhaps for the administrator of this list. > Our e-mail list administrator was noting some e-mails sent to our modest > e-mail list (about 160 addresses, since paired down to 77 addresses) are > sometimes being blocked by Google, at least the ones sent to gmail > addresses. Our e-mail list is an important organizing tool, and a good > way to keep in touch w/ former deejays who might want to start > volunteering again now that Covid has changed their life around. > > > The administrator claims that if we move our e-mail list to Google > Services we would avoid the problem, but obviously we can't do this for > ethical reasons, mainly because (as I am told) moving to Google Services > would mean all of our @krfp.org accounts would be become disguised > @gmail.com accounts. Google has been harvesting the actual text of > e-mail messages sent and received from gmail accounts for years, and > although they apparently no longer sell that info for advertising > purposes, the company still has cached everything written, which is a > violation of privacy. > > > We got a list of e-mail messages Google blocked from an ISP and a > message from a tech there who wrote: > > > <<>> > > > to accept email from other servers, the spf record contains ??all?, > meaning make up your own mind about accepting email from servers not > listed. Google deems all email sent from a server not listed as spam and > rejects it. The line: > > ?This is the mail system at host _ofagrave02.hostedemail.com_ > ? suggest the email is coming from > email system not among those listed in your spf record. Best guess, > since Google doesn?t publish how they make up their minds about an email. > > The other possibility is pointed to by the > ?_https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError_ > to 421 > 4.7.28.? The numbers at the end refer to email being sent at a rate > higher than Google allows ? for example, from a bulk email program or > service. > > Google is very aggressive. > > > <<>> > > > The above message implies Google is not letting _non-spam_ e-mails > through, justifying the practice by saying they are suspected spam. > > > _My Question:_ > > > How can you operate an e-mail list (some of them, such as GRC, which > have hundreds of addresses) without getting messages blocked and without > going through Google Services? Do we need to change to a different > service? What do you use? Have you been able to avoid problems like this? > > > -- > Leigh Robartes > Station Manager > KRFP / Radio Free Moscow, Inc. > 90.3 FM > Moscow, Idaho > > 208 892 9300 > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > From undercurrentsradio at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 13:17:30 2021 From: undercurrentsradio at gmail.com (UnderCurrents Radio) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:17:30 -0800 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> Message-ID: <22DBB3A6-734F-4F16-A411-64D1519E7A8D@gmail.com> Hi Leigh, Services like Constant Contact and Mail Chimp are designed to solve this very problem. They send messages with individual addresses in a way that is unlikely to trigger a spam filter. Squarespace also has an optional mail service built into its web environment. Hope this helps! Gregg Gregg McVicar www.undercurrentsradio.net > On Feb 22, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Leigh Robartes via grc wrote: > > I have a question for those who are in charge of e-mail lists for deejays at stations, or perhaps for the administrator of this list. Our e-mail list administrator was noting some e-mails sent to our modest e-mail list (about 160 addresses, since paired down to 77 addresses) are sometimes being blocked by Google, at least the ones sent to gmail addresses. Our e-mail list is an important organizing tool, and a good way to keep in touch w/ former deejays who might want to start volunteering again now that Covid has changed their life around. > > > The administrator claims that if we move our e-mail list to Google Services we would avoid the problem, but obviously we can't do this for ethical reasons, mainly because (as I am told) moving to Google Services would mean all of our @krfp.org accounts would be become disguised @gmail.com accounts. Google has been harvesting the actual text of e-mail messages sent and received from gmail accounts for years, and although they apparently no longer sell that info for advertising purposes, the company still has cached everything written, which is a violation of privacy. > > > We got a list of e-mail messages Google blocked from an ISP and a message from a tech there who wrote: > > > <<>> > > > to accept email from other servers, the spf record contains ??all?, meaning make up your own mind about accepting email from servers not listed. Google deems all email sent from a server not listed as spam and rejects it. The line: > > ?This is the mail system at host _ofagrave02.hostedemail.com_ ? suggest the email is coming from email system not among those listed in your spf record. Best guess, since Google doesn?t publish how they make up their minds about an email. > > The other possibility is pointed to by the ?_https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError_ to 421 4.7.28.? The numbers at the end refer to email being sent at a rate higher than Google allows ? for example, from a bulk email program or service. > > Google is very aggressive. > > > <<>> > > > The above message implies Google is not letting _non-spam_ e-mails through, justifying the practice by saying they are suspected spam. > > > _My Question:_ > > > How can you operate an e-mail list (some of them, such as GRC, which have hundreds of addresses) without getting messages blocked and without going through Google Services? Do we need to change to a different service? What do you use? Have you been able to avoid problems like this? > > > -- > Leigh Robartes > Station Manager > KRFP / Radio Free Moscow, Inc. > 90.3 FM > Moscow, Idaho > > 208 892 9300 > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org Mon Feb 22 13:32:02 2021 From: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org (Spencer Graves) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:32:02 -0600 Subject: [grc] Fwd: When algorithms come for journalists In-Reply-To: <20210222160254.1.1A9B0A9C5EE56166@mg.freedom.press> References: <20210222160254.1.1A9B0A9C5EE56166@mg.freedom.press> Message-ID: <712bcd2f-2e33-d307-e27a-fabcafaa7afe@effectivedefense.org> Hello, All: The discussion of Google's practices on this GRC list seems vaguely related to Google taking down an online database of "more than 2,500 tweets by former President Donald Trump attacking the media", which Freedom of the Press Foundation and U.S. Press Freedom Tracker had used to monitor this. This action was taken without warning with no recourse offered. Luckily, these organizations knew people in Google, who were able to get the database restored. HOWEVER, people doing investigative journalism need to be aware that anything they maintain on Google Drive could be deleted without warning. I'm not aware of this happening often enough that to discourage me from using Google Drive. However, if I had a major database like that, I'd want to develop procedures for making private backup copies on regular intervals, so I wouldn't suffer greatly if Big Brother tried to take me down. Comments? Spencer Graves Volunteer journalist, KKFI.org, Kansas City Community Radio -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: When algorithms come for journalists Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:52:51 +0000 From: Freedom of the Press Foundation To: spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org Freedom of the Press Foundation Dear friend of press freedom, This week, we?ve dedicated an entire issue to a discussion of how opaque decisions by tech giants can have profound effects on journalists using their platforms. If you enjoy reading this newsletter, please forward it to friends and family. If someone has forwarded you this newsletter, please subscribe . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Journalists ? especially those without institutional newsroom support ? rely on tools from major tech companies like Google and YouTube for newsgathering, production and distribution as a matter of course. As these information giants publicly wrestle with controversial content moderation decisions that dominate headlines and Congressional hearings, their decisions also run the risk of stifling routine reporting. When content is removed or an algorithm tweaked behind closed doors, news organizations and journalists are often left without any sort of transparency into the process or a clear path to appeals. In the last month, Freedom of the Press Foundation and the U.S. Press Freedom Tracker experienced this first-hand, with the temporary takedown from Google Docs of an online database we've used to track more than 2,500 tweets by former President Donald Trump attacking the media. We've used this public spreadsheet for data analysis over the years, and provided it to readers and other journalists to do their own exploration of Trump?s anti-media tweets and their effect on press freedom. Two weeks ago, the database was taken down by Google and replaced with a notice claiming an unspecified ?terms of service? violation. Neither Freedom of the Press Foundation nor Stephanie Sugars, our reporter whose personal account "owns" the document, were notified of its removal, and no recourse was offered. ?When I discovered the spreadsheet had been flagged, I was at a complete loss for how to contest the decision. Even the directive from Google's Help screen was useless, as it said to request a review when the document was already open. I couldn't open the document at all, and when I tried it disappeared from my Drive,? according to Sugars. Still, we were lucky. Some of our colleagues know employees at Google, and our allies know even more. After many people made private inquiries on our behalf, the document was restored without explanation a day after we discovered it was down. Obviously, that course of action is not available to most. We still have no idea why the Trump tweet database was taken down. Even a temporary suspension can have serious drawbacks for reporters or outlets that are providing timely reporting or live broadcasts. Since the beginning of 2021, for example, the progressive news outlet Status Coup has seen both widespread adoption of its live-streaming footage and an increase in restrictions from YouTube, where it broadcasts. As it was covering a pro-gun rally in Virginia last month, its feed was abruptly cut for violating the service's firearms policy . Similar to allies stepping in in our Trump tweet database situation, high-profile criticism of Silicon Valley appeared to lead to the stream?s restoration. That option is not available to most. Should local journalists have to rely on higher-profile journalists to draw attention to their case? And despite that reversal, Status Coup continues to face problems. Even though their channel was restored, Status Coup has made the editorial decision not to "go live" as it covers certain controversial events. Critical footage it shot from the Capitol Riots, which was later licensed by CNN and other networks and seen by millions of people, was taken down by YouTube, and much of it has not been restored. In the weeks since, some of the same raw footage was also removed from Google Drive, again citing unspecified Terms of Service violations, according to the outlet?s co-founder Jordan Chariton. Chariton also described the difficulty of planning reporting trips or assignments when the resulting stories are shaded with total uncertainty. ?As a journalist you want to sink or swim on your judgment, what stories you choose, the way you report, building relationships with sources,? he said, but Status Coup?s experience thus far ?shows that you can be tenacious, work seven days a week, break big stories, and Google and the rest of them could choose to bury you, choose to take your footage down.? Google?s domination of search means it can have profound effects on distribution even for outlets that don?t expressly rely on products like YouTube. U.S. Right to Know , a non-profit newsroom that engages in investigative journalism on public health issues, has provided Freedom of the Press Foundation with evidence of a sudden and dramatic drop-off in incoming traffic from Google search results after the search engine released a ?core update? to its ranking algorithm . U.S. Right to Know?s Google referral traffic dropped off a cliff in the beginning of December, right when the algorithm change was announced. Was there some action that U.S. Right to Know took that triggered this? What can it do to rectify the situation? Its editors have no idea. U.S. Right to Know has also previously attracted strong negative attention from the subjects of its reporting ? Monsanto set up an "intelligence center" to monitor and discredit the organization and other journalists. In the absence of meaningful transparency or an appeal process, it's difficult to rule out the idea that such a motivated company could possibly have played a role. This is only one example of many over the years where an algorithm change has killed a news outlet?s traffic overnight. The New York Times wrote in 2017 how legitimate left-leaning independent news outlets were getting decimated by Google?s attempt to eliminate ?fake news.? Outlets large and small have long complained Facebook constantly wreaks havoc on their traffic ? and in turn, their revenue ? if they decide to de-emphasize certain subjects or news in users? newsfeeds. Newsrooms are stuck trying to read the tea leaves in vague announcements for how to respond. To be clear, companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter have their own First Amendment right to make decisions about what content they host and how they present that content. Efforts to diminish the liability protection afforded to tech platforms and websites of all stripes are misguided at best ? and would unequivocally hurt the cause of free speech. But that doesn?t mean the companies that operate dominant tech platforms shaping our social information intake shouldn?t be held accountable when their opaque decisions harm independent reporting and journalism. Tech companies are so dominant that it?s impossible to make or distribute news without them for many journalists. Given the importance of a strong and independent press, it?s time these companies prioritize and allocate the resources that protect journalists from unexplained, random or otherwise punitive abuses of their power. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The role of journalism in our democracy matters now more than ever. If you care about the future of an independent media, please consider donating to Freedom of the Press Foundation today , and enable our work protecting press freedom. Keep fighting, Parker Higgins Advocacy Director Want to stop getting these emails? Click here to unsubscribe. From dklann at grunch.org Mon Feb 22 13:47:08 2021 From: dklann at grunch.org (David Klann) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:47:08 -0600 Subject: [grc] Fwd: When algorithms come for journalists In-Reply-To: <712bcd2f-2e33-d307-e27a-fabcafaa7afe@effectivedefense.org> References: <20210222160254.1.1A9B0A9C5EE56166@mg.freedom.press> <712bcd2f-2e33-d307-e27a-fabcafaa7afe@effectivedefense.org> Message-ID: <981b2f8d-2818-70d8-94c1-cb747b494914@grunch.org> On 2/22/21 15:32, Spencer Graves via grc wrote: > Hello, All: > > > ????? The discussion of Google's practices on this GRC list seems > vaguely related to Google taking down an online database of "more than > 2,500 tweets by former President Donald Trump attacking the media", > which Freedom of the Press Foundation and U.S. Press Freedom Tracker > had used to monitor this.? This action > was taken without warning with no recourse offered.? Luckily, these > organizations knew people in Google, who were able to get the database > restored. > That's just luck. Although, Google employs many tens of thousands of people, so maybe there are few degrees of separation between a random person and a useful Google employee... > > ????? HOWEVER, people doing investigative journalism need to be aware > that anything they maintain on Google Drive could be deleted without > warning. ?I'm not aware of this happening often enough that to > discourage me from using Google Drive.? However, if I had a major > database like that, I'd want to develop procedures for making private > backup copies on regular intervals, so I wouldn't suffer greatly if Big > Brother tried to take me down. > > > ????? Comments? I wholeheartedly concur! I too use Google Drive for a few things (decreasingly so), but I have "backup" or alternative copies of everything. Google services disappear. And I don't always attribute their disappearance to evil or callous behavior. Wires break. Fiber optic cables get chopped by backhoes. Computers fail. And this discussion doesn't even touch the mailing list conversation regarding Google's and others' privacy-invading policies and practices. As host of WFMU's "Techtonic", Mark Hurst says, "Avoid Apple, get off Google, forget Facebook..." ~David Klann > ????? Spencer Graves > ????? Volunteer journalist, KKFI.org, Kansas City Community Radio > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject:???? When algorithms come for journalists > Date:???? Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:52:51 +0000 > From:???? Freedom of the Press Foundation > To:???? spencer.graves at effectivedefense.org > > > > > Freedom of the Press Foundation > > Dear friend of press freedom, > > This week, we?ve dedicated an entire issue to a discussion of how opaque > decisions by tech giants can have profound effects on journalists using > their platforms. If you enjoy reading this newsletter, please forward it > to friends and family. If someone has forwarded you this newsletter, > please subscribe . > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Journalists ? especially those without institutional newsroom support ? > rely on tools from major tech companies like Google and YouTube for > newsgathering, production and distribution as a matter of course. As > these information giants publicly wrestle with controversial content > moderation decisions that dominate headlines and Congressional hearings, > their decisions also run the risk of stifling routine reporting. When > content is removed or an algorithm tweaked behind closed doors, news > organizations and journalists are often left without any sort of > transparency into the process or a clear path to appeals. > > In the last month, Freedom of the Press Foundation and the U.S. Press > Freedom Tracker experienced this > first-hand, with the temporary takedown from Google Docs of an online > database we've used to track more than 2,500 tweets by former President > Donald Trump attacking the media. We've used this public spreadsheet for > data analysis > > over the years, and provided it to readers and other journalists to do > their own exploration of Trump?s anti-media tweets and their effect on > press freedom. > > Two weeks ago, the database was taken down by Google and replaced with a > notice claiming an unspecified ?terms of service? violation. > > Neither Freedom of the Press Foundation nor Stephanie Sugars, our > reporter whose personal account "owns" the document, were notified of > its removal, and no recourse was offered. > > ?When I discovered the spreadsheet had been flagged, I was at a complete > loss for how to contest the decision. Even the directive from Google's > Help screen was useless, as it said to request a review when the > document was already open. I couldn't open the document at all, and when > I tried it disappeared from my Drive,? according to Sugars. > > Still, we were lucky. Some of our colleagues know employees at Google, > and our allies know even more. After many people made private inquiries > on our behalf, the document was restored without explanation a day after > we discovered it was down. Obviously, that course of action is not > available to most. > > We still have no idea why the Trump tweet database was taken down. > > Even a temporary suspension can have serious drawbacks for reporters or > outlets that are providing timely reporting or live broadcasts. Since > the beginning of 2021, for example, the progressive news outlet Status > Coup has seen both widespread adoption of its live-streaming footage > > and an increase in restrictions from YouTube, where it broadcasts. As it > was covering a pro-gun rally in Virginia last month, its feed was > abruptly cut for violating the service's firearms policy > . Similar > to allies stepping in in our Trump tweet database situation, > high-profile criticism of Silicon Valley > appeared > to lead to the stream?s restoration. > > That option is not available to most. Should local journalists have to > rely on higher-profile journalists to draw attention to their case? > > And despite that reversal, Status Coup continues to face problems. Even > though their channel was restored, Status Coup has made the editorial > decision not to "go live" as it covers certain controversial events. > Critical footage it shot from the Capitol Riots, which was later > licensed by CNN and other networks > > and seen by millions of people, was taken down by YouTube, and much of > it has not been restored. In the weeks since, some of the same raw > footage was also removed from Google Drive, again citing unspecified > Terms of Service violations, according to the outlet?s co-founder Jordan > Chariton. > > Chariton also described the difficulty of planning reporting trips or > assignments when the resulting stories are shaded with total > uncertainty. ?As a journalist you want to sink or swim on your judgment, > what stories you choose, the way you report, building relationships with > sources,? he said, but Status Coup?s experience thus far ?shows that you > can be tenacious, work seven days a week, break big stories, and Google > and the rest of them could choose to bury you, choose to take your > footage down.? > > Google?s domination of search means it can have profound effects on > distribution even for outlets that don?t expressly rely on products like > YouTube. U.S. Right to Know , a non-profit newsroom > that engages in investigative journalism on public health issues, has > provided Freedom of the Press Foundation with evidence of a sudden and > dramatic drop-off in incoming traffic from Google search results after > the search engine released a ?core update? to its ranking algorithm > . > > > U.S. Right to Know?s Google referral traffic dropped off a cliff in the > beginning of December, right when the algorithm change was announced. > Was there some action that U.S. Right to Know took that triggered this? > What can it do to rectify the situation? Its editors have no idea. > > U.S. Right to Know has also previously attracted strong negative > attention from the subjects of its reporting ? Monsanto set up an > "intelligence center" to monitor and discredit the organization > > and other journalists. In the absence of meaningful transparency or an > appeal process, it's difficult to rule out the idea that such a > motivated company could possibly have played a role. > > This is only one example of many over the years where an algorithm > change has killed a news outlet?s traffic overnight. The New York Times > wrote in 2017 how legitimate left-leaning independent news outlets > > were getting decimated by Google?s attempt to eliminate ?fake news.? > Outlets large and small have long complained Facebook constantly wreaks > havoc > > on their traffic ? and in turn, their revenue ? if they decide to > de-emphasize certain subjects or news in users? newsfeeds. Newsrooms are > stuck trying to read the tea leaves in vague announcements for how to > respond. > > To be clear, companies like Google, Facebook and Twitter have their own > First Amendment right to make decisions about what content they host and > how they present that content. Efforts to diminish the liability > protection afforded to tech platforms and websites of all stripes are > misguided at best ? and would unequivocally hurt the cause of free speech. > > But that doesn?t mean the companies that operate dominant tech platforms > shaping our social information intake shouldn?t be held accountable when > their opaque decisions harm independent reporting and journalism. > > Tech companies are so dominant that it?s impossible to make or > distribute news without them for many journalists. Given the importance > of a strong and independent press, it?s time these companies prioritize > and allocate the resources that protect journalists from unexplained, > random or otherwise punitive abuses of their power. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The role of journalism in our democracy matters now more than ever. If > you care about the future of an independent media, please consider > donating to Freedom of the Press Foundation today > , and enable our work protecting press > freedom. > > Keep fighting, > Parker Higgins > Advocacy Director > > Want to stop getting these emails? Click here to unsubscribe. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc From ad253 at freeelectron.net Mon Feb 22 13:55:43 2021 From: ad253 at freeelectron.net (al davis) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 16:55:43 -0500 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> Message-ID: <20210222165543.0074fd7b@z> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:12:31 -0800 Leigh Robartes via grc wrote: > I have a question for those who are in charge of e-mail lists for > deejays at stations, or perhaps for the administrator of this list. ? > Our e-mail list administrator was noting some e-mails sent to our modest > e-mail list (about 160 addresses, since paired down to 77 addresses) are > sometimes being blocked by Google, at least the ones sent to gmail > addresses.?? Our e-mail list is an important organizing tool, and a good > way to keep in touch w/ former deejays who might want to start > volunteering again now that Covid has changed their life around. > > > The administrator claims that if we move our e-mail list to Google > Services we would avoid the problem, but obviously we can't do this for > ethical reasons, mainly because (as I am told) moving to Google Services > would mean all of our @krfp.org accounts would be become disguised > @gmail.com accounts. ? > Google has been harvesting the actual text of > e-mail messages sent and received from gmail accounts for years, and > although they apparently no longer sell that info for advertising > purposes, the company still has cached everything written, which is a > violation of privacy. You want spam filtering? If so, the reason xxxxx has been "harvesting the actual text" is because you requested for them to do that. Spam filtering based on actual text, based on an algorithm you do not control, is filtering of the worst kind. It could at any time be extended to filter based on political views, street address, or anything else you might find bothersome. The first, and hopefully most, filtering must come from proper use of standards and tracing, under your control. > > > We got a list of e-mail messages Google blocked from an ISP and a > message from a tech there who wrote: > > > <<>> > > > to accept email from other servers, the spf record contains ??all?, > meaning make up your own mind about accepting email from servers not > listed. Your SPF record is a way that you can instruct recipients about how to judge whether mail claiming to be from you is legitimate or not. If your SPF record ends with "?all", you are saying that you have no idea how to know, and leaving it up to the recipient to decide, however they want. This is a mark of an improperly set up mail server, so it is likely that a responsible big server will aggressively screen all of your mail, to the point of rejecting most of it. Ending with "-all" tells the recipient to reject any mail claiming to be from you that does not come from your designated server. Ending with "~all" tells the recipient to accept mail claiming to be from you that does not come from your designated server, but mark it in some way, so the recipient knows there is something wrong. Putting it in the spam folder is one way to do this. A quick check tells me that your spf record is something like: (with some names changed to protect your privacy) "v=spf1 include:_spf.example.com ~all" I see: 1. ~all (see above) 2. passing it on to your provider, who says this: (I changed the numbers) "v=spf1 ip4:11.22.33.0/24 ip4:22.33.44.55 ~all" Here they listed the IP numbers of the servers that are GOOD. So the instructions say to accept as non-spam from the designated servers, accept but mark as spam if not. If the recipient is doing this they are following your instructions. Lists add another layer to this. Now it is not just your part, and the recipient's part, but also the part of anyone who posts to the list. A member of a list posts to the list. What does that look like? It goes through the list and the list messes with it. Now what? Let's assume that you have somebody "mememe at example.com" on your list, who posts to it. Suppose the poster's SPF says "v=spf1 mx -all". That says to accept only if it comes from the one designated server, to reject if it comes from anywhere else. If the list leaves the From line alone, so it still says "mememe at example.com", but now it comes from your list server rather than from the poster's designated server, the recipient should reject it .... meaning to bounce it or not even pass it to spam. This is why many lists (including this one) change the From to its own address. (grc at maillist.peak.org here). If your list doesn't do this, you should reconfigure it so it does. In the old days, the usual way was to leave the From alone, leading to faking of email addresses. Another factor here is "DMARC" records, and a "DKIM" signature. You should have this also set up to be as secure and restrictive as you can. I don't want to go into detail on this here, other than to say that it lets you specify in great detail how you want recipients to deal with stuff that appears to come from your address. (but doesn't really). Before it even gets in the door, there is the IP reverse lookup test. Basically it goes something like this ...... Suppose my server wants to send you some mail. My server calls your server and says... "HELO my.email.server.com". Your server checks the caller id and it says "33.44.55.66". Your properly configured server does a quick check .... Does 33.44.55.66 correspond to my.email.server.com ? and does my.email.server.com correspond to 33.44.55.66 ? It really does need to check both ways. When this is confirmed, now it is ok to move on to SPF and DKIM. If everything on your end is correct, and a big provider is rejecting your mail, call them and demand they fix the problem. If you are correct and professional, they will fix it. But before you do this, make sure it is all correct and tight on your end. If this case, you are already using a provider for your email service. I am not familiar with the provider you are using. You are paying them for the service. Ask them to fix it. > The above message implies Google is not letting _non-spam_ e-mails > through, justifying the practice by saying they are suspected spam. There is some truth to that. Too much, actually. Sometimes Google (and hotmail, yahoo, etc ... let's be fair) reject email that is perfectly set up, with everything correct. > > > _My Question:_ > > > How can you operate an e-mail list (some of them, such as GRC, which > have hundreds of addresses) without getting messages blocked and without > going through Google Services?? 1. Make sure your end is complete, correct, and tight. - IP-lookup, spf, dkim, dmarc - you follow your own rules, especially when forwarding mail through your list. 2. Get on their case if you are clean, and they are still rejecting your mail. > Do we need to change to a different service? Only if the service you are using is messing up. DO NOT just switch to google, yahoo, aol, hotmail, etc.. in response to this problem. If you do (for this reason) you may hide the problem from yourself, but in the big picture, for everyone else, you become part of the problem. Another point .. instructions to the users, the people who are using gmail and losing mail .... It is their duty to do something about it. If the problem is mail going to spam when it shouldn't, they should click the button "not spam" to help gmail's filters learn what to do. >? What do you use? Have you been able to avoid problems like this? Quick check .... From what I can see, this here list, hosted at peak.org, seems to do it all correctly. From ad253 at freeelectron.net Mon Feb 22 14:15:20 2021 From: ad253 at freeelectron.net (al davis) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:15:20 -0500 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: <22DBB3A6-734F-4F16-A411-64D1519E7A8D@gmail.com> References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> <22DBB3A6-734F-4F16-A411-64D1519E7A8D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20210222171520.775bcf3b@z> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:17:30 -0800 UnderCurrents Radio via grc wrote: > Services like Constant Contact and Mail Chimp are designed to solve this very problem. That's not true. Those services are marketing services, and will be treated as such. They are known marketing services, believed to be legitimate, and they work with Google et al. I am not saying not to use them. They really do make sense when used for their intended purpose. In the context of a radio station, they make sense for the big list of listeners, small donors, friends, neighbors, whatever. They are not a good choice for a working email list for staff or volunteers, where you want to get work done. > They send messages with individual addresses in a way that is unlikely > to trigger a spam filter. Actually, it triggers the "Mail Chimp" filter, which is a category of its own. It gets delivered, usually, along with all the other Constant Contact and Mail Chimp mail. It's not the "spam" folder. It's the "promotions" folder, or something like that. If that's what you want, go for it. From leigh at krfp.org Mon Feb 22 18:30:53 2021 From: leigh at krfp.org (Leigh Robartes) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:30:53 -0800 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> Message-ID: <6a174f9c-0ab8-2398-5d98-96d45dcb6438@krfp.org> Thanks for the reply, Dave. The point is we do not want to use G Suite or Google Services or Google anything if we can help it (for ethical and privacy reasons). Of course some of our deejays have gmail addresses and we can't do much about that.? The gmail addresses appear to be the ones which are blocked from receiving our e-mail list due to Google anti-spam overreach. --Leigh On 2/22/2021 12:46 PM, David Devereaux-Weber wrote: > Hi Leigh, > > WORT uses G Suite for Nonprofits.? Our website is hosted by a local > company, but our email is hosted by Google. Our email addresses are > xxx at wortfm.org . G Suite at the basic level is > free. We also get Google Groups (email lists), Google Drive, a YouTube > channel, and other features. > https://www.google.com/nonprofits/offerings/g-suite/ > > > Regular Gmail looks at the content of your email and uses it to > improve the recommendations for Google Ads and in Google searches. The > Gmail in G Suite for nonprofits does not display ads. > > Whether or not you use G Suite for Nonprofits, Google has Google > Adwords for nonprofits. That is, you have several thousands of dollars > of Google Adwords for your station. So if you buy the words News and > Madison, Wisconsin, if people in Madison search for news, they might > get a Google add that shows http://wortfm.org/news > > > Feel free to talk to me directly if you have questions. > > Dave > > David Devereaux-Weber > President, WORT Board of Directors > president at wortfm.org > (608)576-2599 > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 12:15 PM Leigh Robartes via grc > > wrote: > > I have a question for those who are in charge of e-mail lists for > deejays at stations, or perhaps for the administrator of this list. > Our e-mail list administrator was noting some e-mails sent to our > modest > e-mail list (about 160 addresses, since paired down to 77 > addresses) are > sometimes being blocked by Google, at least the ones sent to gmail > addresses.?? Our e-mail list is an important organizing tool, and > a good > way to keep in touch w/ former deejays who might want to start > volunteering again now that Covid has changed their life around. > > > The administrator claims that if we move our e-mail list to Google > Services we would avoid the problem, but obviously we can't do > this for > ethical reasons, mainly because (as I am told) moving to Google > Services > would mean all of our @krfp.org accounts would > be become disguised > @gmail.com accounts. ? Google has been > harvesting the actual text of > e-mail messages sent and received from gmail accounts for years, and > although they apparently no longer sell that info for advertising > purposes, the company still has cached everything written, which is a > violation of privacy. > > > We got a list of e-mail messages Google blocked from an ISP and a > message from a tech there who wrote: > > > <<>> > > > to accept email from other servers, the spf record contains ??all?, > meaning make up your own mind about accepting email from servers not > listed. Google deems all email sent from a server not listed as > spam and > rejects it. The line: > > ?This is the mail system at host _ofagrave02.hostedemail.com_ > >? suggest the email is coming > from > email system not among those listed in your spf record. Best guess, > since Google doesn?t publish how they make up their minds about an > email. > > The other possibility is pointed to by the > ?_https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedRateLimitError_ > > >?to > 421 > 4.7.28.? The numbers at the end refer to email being sent at a rate > higher than Google allows ? for example, from a bulk email program or > service. > > Google is very aggressive. > > > <<>> > > > The above message implies Google is not letting _non-spam_ e-mails > through, justifying the practice by saying they are suspected spam. > > > _My Question:_ > > > How can you operate an e-mail list (some of them, such as GRC, which > have hundreds of addresses) without getting messages blocked and > without > going through Google Services?? Do we need to change to a different > service? ? What do you use? Have you been able to avoid problems > like this? > > > -- > Leigh Robartes > Station Manager > KRFP / Radio Free Moscow, Inc. > 90.3 FM > Moscow, Idaho > > 208 892 9300 > > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc > > -- Leigh Robartes Station Manager KRFP / Radio Free Moscow, Inc. 90.3 FM Moscow, Idaho 208 892 9300 From leigh at krfp.org Mon Feb 22 18:57:44 2021 From: leigh at krfp.org (Leigh Robartes) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:57:44 -0800 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: <20210222165543.0074fd7b@z> References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> <20210222165543.0074fd7b@z> Message-ID: <67b1ef22-18a1-39cb-91d6-bc6bd4bc833f@krfp.org> Al,??? Thanks for your very thorough reply.? I'm beginning to understand the issues at hand for the first time. The next trick will be to get our e-mail list guy and our host (West Host) to agree with the analysis and fix it.? We may have a problem with our web hosting service, because it seems they feel we're only paying for webhosting and very limited e-mail service, so we may have to change or upgrade. --Leigh On 2/22/2021 1:55 PM, al davis via grc wrote: > On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:12:31 -0800 > Leigh Robartes via grc wrote: >> I have a question for those who are in charge of e-mail lists for >> deejays at stations, or perhaps for the administrator of this list. >> Our e-mail list administrator was noting some e-mails sent to our modest >> e-mail list (about 160 addresses, since paired down to 77 addresses) are >> sometimes being blocked by Google, at least the ones sent to gmail >> addresses.?? Our e-mail list is an important organizing tool, and a good >> way to keep in touch w/ former deejays who might want to start >> volunteering again now that Covid has changed their life around. >> >> >> The administrator claims that if we move our e-mail list to Google >> Services we would avoid the problem, but obviously we can't do this for >> ethical reasons, mainly because (as I am told) moving to Google Services >> would mean all of our @krfp.org accounts would be become disguised >> @gmail.com accounts. > > >> Google has been harvesting the actual text of >> e-mail messages sent and received from gmail accounts for years, and >> although they apparently no longer sell that info for advertising >> purposes, the company still has cached everything written, which is a >> violation of privacy. > You want spam filtering? If so, the reason xxxxx has been "harvesting > the actual text" is because you requested for them to do that. > > Spam filtering based on actual text, based on an algorithm you do not > control, is filtering of the worst kind. It could at any time be > extended to filter based on political views, street address, or > anything else you might find bothersome. > > The first, and hopefully most, filtering must come from proper use of > standards and tracing, under your control. > > >> >> We got a list of e-mail messages Google blocked from an ISP and a >> message from a tech there who wrote: >> >> >> <<>> >> >> >> to accept email from other servers, the spf record contains ??all?, >> meaning make up your own mind about accepting email from servers not >> listed. > Your SPF record is a way that you can instruct recipients about how to > judge whether mail claiming to be from you is legitimate or not. > > If your SPF record ends with "?all", you are saying that you have no > idea how to know, and leaving it up to the recipient to decide, however > they want. > > This is a mark of an improperly set up mail server, so it is likely > that a responsible big server will aggressively screen all of your > mail, to the point of rejecting most of it. > > Ending with "-all" tells the recipient to reject any mail claiming to > be from you that does not come from your designated server. > > Ending with "~all" tells the recipient to accept mail claiming to > be from you that does not come from your designated server, but mark it > in some way, so the recipient knows there is something wrong. Putting it > in the spam folder is one way to do this. > > A quick check tells me that your spf record is something like: > (with some names changed to protect your privacy) > > "v=spf1 include:_spf.example.com ~all" > > I see: > 1. ~all (see above) > 2. passing it on to your provider, who says this: > (I changed the numbers) > > "v=spf1 ip4:11.22.33.0/24 ip4:22.33.44.55 ~all" > > Here they listed the IP numbers of the servers that are GOOD. > > So the instructions say to accept as non-spam from the designated > servers, accept but mark as spam if not. > > If the recipient is doing this they are following your instructions. > > > Lists add another layer to this. > > Now it is not just your part, and the recipient's part, but also the > part of anyone who posts to the list. > > A member of a list posts to the list. What does that look like? It > goes through the list and the list messes with it. Now what? > > Let's assume that you have somebody "mememe at example.com" on your list, > who posts to it. Suppose the poster's SPF says "v=spf1 mx -all". That > says to accept only if it comes from the one designated server, to > reject if it comes from anywhere else. > > If the list leaves the From line alone, so it still says > "mememe at example.com", but now it comes from your list server rather > than from the poster's designated server, the recipient should reject > it .... meaning to bounce it or not even pass it to spam. > > This is why many lists (including this one) change the From to its own > address. (grc at maillist.peak.org here). If your list doesn't do this, > you should reconfigure it so it does. > > In the old days, the usual way was to leave the From alone, leading to > faking of email addresses. > > > Another factor here is "DMARC" records, and a "DKIM" signature. You > should have this also set up to be as secure and restrictive as you > can. I don't want to go into detail on this here, other than to say > that it lets you specify in great detail how you want recipients to > deal with stuff that appears to come from your address. (but doesn't > really). > > Before it even gets in the door, there is the IP reverse lookup test. > > Basically it goes something like this ...... > > Suppose my server wants to send you some mail. > > My server calls your server and says... > > "HELO my.email.server.com". > > Your server checks the caller id and it says "33.44.55.66". > > Your properly configured server does a quick check .... > > Does 33.44.55.66 correspond to my.email.server.com ? > and does my.email.server.com correspond to 33.44.55.66 ? > > It really does need to check both ways. > > When this is confirmed, now it is ok to move on to SPF and DKIM. > > > > If everything on your end is correct, and a big provider is rejecting > your mail, call them and demand they fix the problem. If you are > correct and professional, they will fix it. > > But before you do this, make sure it is all correct and tight on your > end. > > If this case, you are already using a provider for your email service. > I am not familiar with the provider you are using. You are paying them > for the service. Ask them to fix it. > >> The above message implies Google is not letting _non-spam_ e-mails >> through, justifying the practice by saying they are suspected spam. > There is some truth to that. Too much, actually. Sometimes Google > (and hotmail, yahoo, etc ... let's be fair) reject email that is > perfectly set up, with everything correct. > >> >> _My Question:_ >> >> >> How can you operate an e-mail list (some of them, such as GRC, which >> have hundreds of addresses) without getting messages blocked and without >> going through Google Services? > 1. Make sure your end is complete, correct, and tight. > - IP-lookup, spf, dkim, dmarc > - you follow your own rules, > especially when forwarding mail through your list. > > 2. Get on their case if you are clean, and they are still rejecting > your mail. > > >> Do we need to change to a different service? > Only if the service you are using is messing up. > > DO NOT just switch to google, yahoo, aol, hotmail, etc.. in response to > this problem. If you do (for this reason) you may hide the problem > from yourself, but in the big picture, for everyone else, you become > part of the problem. > > Another point .. instructions to the users, the people who are using > gmail and losing mail .... It is their duty to do something about it. > If the problem is mail going to spam when it shouldn't, they should > click the button "not spam" to help gmail's filters learn what to do. > > >> ? What do you use? Have you been able to avoid problems like this? > Quick check .... From what I can see, this here list, hosted at > peak.org, seems to do it all correctly. > _______________________________________________ > grc mailing list > grc at maillist.peak.org > http://maillist.peak.org/mailman/listinfo/grc -- Leigh Robartes Station Manager KRFP / Radio Free Moscow, Inc. 90.3 FM Moscow, Idaho 208 892 9300 From ad253 at freeelectron.net Tue Feb 23 16:57:11 2021 From: ad253 at freeelectron.net (al davis) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 19:57:11 -0500 Subject: [grc] Question about Google blocking e-mails to radio station deejay list In-Reply-To: <67b1ef22-18a1-39cb-91d6-bc6bd4bc833f@krfp.org> References: <1a02e2ce-d394-e229-396d-2718e1e59688@krfp.org> <20210222165543.0074fd7b@z> <67b1ef22-18a1-39cb-91d6-bc6bd4bc833f@krfp.org> Message-ID: <20210223195711.50cf7720@z> On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:57:44 -0800 Leigh Robartes via grc wrote: > The next trick will be to get our e-mail list guy and our host (West > Host) to agree with the analysis and fix it.? We may have a problem with > our web hosting service, because it seems they feel we're only paying > for webhosting and very limited e-mail service, so we may have to change > or upgrade. Another thought, really a variant of David's suggestion of Constant Contact or Mail Chimp, is to find a provider for an email list, like this one. There are many, but two in particular come to mind. One is peak.org, which hosts this here list. Another, thinking politics, is riseup.net. Usually, these lists run the software "Mailman". It does a good job. It's popular. It's free/open-source. It's familiar. It provides a searchable archive. It's configurable. Based on this, I recommend any provider you like that provides this service. From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 10:54:04 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 11:54:04 -0700 Subject: [grc] Heartland Stories This Week: Monsanto's Dirty Secrets Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:MONSANTO'S DEADLY SECRETS! Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Monsanto's Deadly Secrets! With author Terry Gillam Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: This week Theresa speaks with Investigative journalist, Carey Gillam. Carey's new book, The Monsanto Papers: Deadly Secrets, Corporate Corruption, and One Man's Search forJustice is available now. Author Terry Gillam Notes: Credits: Heartland Radio: Cultivating Change. Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Radio is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Episodes are available on Audioport. Search for Heartland Stories or follow this link: http://audioport.org/index.php?op=series&series=Heartland+Stories Or on our Podcast page: https://heartlandstories.libsyn.com/ Host, Theresa Marquez Topics Factory Farming | Organic Farming | Conditions and Diseases | Food and Nutrition | Occupational Health and Safety | Environmental Activism Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:04 02-28-21 12:50 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 02-28-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:04 heartlandstories02282021 128Kbps mp3 (26.56MB) Stereo [image: Download] -- Charlie Knower, Producer 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com From charlie.knower at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 15:44:26 2021 From: charlie.knower at gmail.com (Charlie Knower) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:44:26 -0700 Subject: [grc] Heartland Stories New Show This Week (Corrected) Message-ID: HEARTLAND STORIES:MONSANTO'S DEADLY SECRETS! Series: Title: Sub-title: Heartland Stories Monsanto's Deadly Secrets! Producer: Program type: Broadcast Restrictions: Charlie Knower Weekly Program For non-profit use only. Summary: Featured speakers/guests: This week Theresa speaks with Investigative journalist, Carey Gillam. Carey's new book, The Monsanto Papers: Deadly Secrets, Corporate Corruption, and One Man's Search forJustice is available now. Author Carey Gillam Notes: Credits: Heartland Radio: Cultivating Change. Brought to you by the people that produced Rootstock Radio, Heartland Radio is a weekly 29-minute radio show that is also available as a podcast, sponsored initially by the Heartland Study, a non profit research project dedicated to protecting the health of pregnant women and their babies. Each show engages listeners on the issues and challenges in food, farming and global health. While the team is in the Heartland, where much food is produced, our issues and interviews are with change makers, influentials and everyday people from all over the globe. We present solid information about what we all can do together to assure a healthy and just food system for the 21st century. Episodes are available on Audioport. Search for Heartland Stories or follow this link: http://audioport.org/index.php?op=series&series=Heartland+Stories Or on our Podcast page: https://heartlandstories.libsyn.com/ Host, Theresa Marquez Topics Factory Farming | Organic Farming | Conditions and Diseases | Food and Nutrition | Occupational Health and Safety | Environmental Activism Edit Version | Add Files | Delete Version/Files VERSION 1: Total Length (HH:MM:SS) Description Uploaded 00:29:04 02-28-21 12:50 Transcript, Announcer Script Location Recorded Release Date Language View Script Viroqua, WI 02-28-2021 English # Segment Length Label File Info Download Stats 1 00:29:04 heartlandstories02282021 128Kbps mp3 (26.56MB) Stereo [image: Download] -- Charlie Knower 608.620.8785 Cell charlie.knower at gmail.com