[grc] Weird new audio editing software
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Fri Dec 9 13:06:02 PST 2022
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Gregg McVicar
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 11:06 AM Carl Etnier via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
wrote:
> Thanks for sharing these programs and the workflow!
>
> I use AI-generated audio transcripts for finding needles in haystacks, like
> short (say, 30 seconds to a couple minutes) clips from an hour-long news
> conference.
>
> For editing my own interviews, I can work quickly enough within Audacity
> that I'm satisfied with that method. After saving a raw recording of the
> interview, I speed-listen to the interview in Audacity, with a Label Track
> below the audio track(s). Where there's something that needs to be cleaned
> up or potentially edited out, I make a note in the Label Track. Then I go
> back and do the editing.
>
> That's for interviews that just need to be tightened and cleaned up a bit.
> If I'm producing a segment with multiple voices, from multiple interviews,
> I'll still use the Label Track and speed listening, but I'll jot down quick
> notes about who is saying what as I listen. Then I'll save the label tracks
> into text files (which include time stamps), open up the text files and
> highlight the bits of the interviews that seem to be most important, and
> cobble together the segment from there.
>
> Your mileage may vary! It's always interesting to hear what others are
> doing.
>
> --Carl
>
> Carl Etnier (he/they)
> CVCR Programming
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>
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 3:54 PM Frieda Werden via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I just attended a Zoom demonstration session with the programmer who
> > created Trebble, hosted by the NCRA. I think there will be a recording
> > available and that I will be allowed to share the link. It looks
> > potentially quite useful. If not for finalizing a show, at least for
> > roughing it out. There are quite a few bells and whistles, all optional
> to
> > use, including noise reduction/removal that may be better than what I've
> > been able to find on Audacity. The demo went very quickly so I didn't
> get
> > to savour the sound changes.
> >
> > This website includes a link to try it for free. Would be interested to
> > hear from anyone who does:
> > https://www.trebble.fm/#make-audio-editing-a-breeze
> >
> > Trebble lets you store drafts, undo, etc. It can record from your mic or
> > you can upload audio. It automatically crossfades ambience when you make
> a
> > delete edit (don't know if that is optional). Seems fairly inexpensive.
> You
> > pay for blocks of time.
> >
> > Arbie Fru, a producer at the Nanaimo BC station, has started using it.
> When
> > the snow melts, I may go down there (about an hour from here) and watch
> him
> > work. Interestingly, the creator of the app sounds as if he is likely
> from
> > Africa, though maybe living in Canada (I am not experienced enough to
> pick
> > out language of origin from his accent). He said he developed the app to
> > help a group of women who wanted to start a podcast but had no
> familiarity
> > with audio editing.
> >
> >
> > Frieda Werden, Series Producer
> > WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 2:17 AM Spencer Graves via grc <
> > grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Frieda et al.:
> > >
> > >
> > > I've not used Trebble. I'll be interested in the reports.
> > >
> > >
> > > I've been using I've been using computer transcription for a
> > few
> > > years now. From that I get time stamps to the nearest second. I
> record
> > > where I want to cut in spreadsheet software like MS Excel, LibreOffice
> > > Calc or Google Sheet and compute the times to keep and to cut. Then I
> > > switch to Audacity to get cut points to the nearest hundredths of a
> > > second and modify the spreadsheet as I edit.
> > >
> > >
> > > An example transcript with the accompanying audio file is
> > > available at:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://otter.ai/u/7eRY0BzhugBlyu5FPXteeWdfKoc
> > >
> > >
> > > The spreadsheet edit plan I created for that transcript is
> at:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19h4QyJMHK2VqmD_FmAG55HcQ3e8q4Fu5zMjot9XlRf0/edit?usp=sharing
> > >
> > >
> > > The podcast I created from that is available at:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://kkfi.org/program-episodes/kc-homeless-union-and-hope-for-the-homeless-project-2/
> > >
> > >
> > > I started using Trint but switched to Otter.ai. I need to
> > > identify
> > > the speakers, but I often only have to identify the first few times
> each
> > > speaker talks, because Otter.ai does moderately well at identifying
> > > subsequent orations by the same speaker -- and makes it easy for me to
> > > correct the speaker. The transcript is not good enough to publish but
> > > is good enough to use for timing, usually. Occasionally, Otter.ai gets
> > > the times out of order. It allows me to download the transcript with
> > > speakers and time in, e.g., docx format. Sadly, it sometimes
> > > incorrectly marks the times, then sorts the segments in the wrong order
> > > when I download the transcript. Then I have to manually correct that
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > Doing this may be more labor intensive than it should be.
> > > Yesterday,
> > > I recorded an interview of just over an hour and needed to cut it to 28
> > > minutes. I ran out of time to complete my editing plan before
> broadcast
> > > time at 6 PM Central, so the result was 28:31 mm:ss; I had two or
> three
> > > more cuts I wanted to make but gave up.
> > >
> > >
> > > Otter.ai offers a free service for files that are no more
> than
> > > 30
> > > minutes each up to a total of 300 minutes per month. I have a paid
> > > account for $8.33 per month, up to 90 minutes per recording and a total
> > > of 1200 minutes per month.
> > >
> > >
> > > And I sometimes use this to create a complete transcript with
> > > time
> > > stamps, e.g.:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Social_construction_of_crime_and_what_we_can_do_about_it
> > >
> > >
> > > However, cleaning up a transcript and adding links and
> > > references
> > > like this can take another day or three. And without serious
> > > references, it's not suitable for Wikiversity.
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm willing to believe that there are better options both in
> > > terms of
> > > the transcription service and easier editing like Trebble. I've heard
> > > of a service that supports editing videos like this, but I can't
> > > remember it's name. I haven't tried it but probably should.
> > >
> > >
> > > Comments?
> > > Spencer Graves
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/7/22 12:33 AM, Frieda Werden via grc wrote:
> > > > https://youtu.be/5ah0IoZCIxI
> > > > It's called Trebble. It lets you edit audio from its transcription.
> > > Also
> > > > has a suite of effects. Canada's national campus and community radio
> > > > association has partnered with Trebble and is offering discounts for
> > its
> > > > members. They are recommending it for beginner editors. I think it
> > > likely
> > > > there will be a zombie-like quality to audio edited this way - but it
> > > might
> > > > be useful as a way to start cutting down longer pieces. I haven't
> > tried
> > > > it, but I might attend their demonstration workshop. It also says it
> > > lets
> > > > you capture audio from your website....
> > > >
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