[grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New program!

[Andrew Stelzer]

you dont have be a pacifica affliiate to be on that list, and many programs
include non-audioport url links for downloading their shows in their posts.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Kenny Lavender <kenny at wtsq.org> wrote:

> I am not a Pacifica affiliate
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Frieda Werden via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>
>> Many grc members are not Pacifica affiliates, I think.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM Andrew Stelzer via grc <
>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>>
>> > I agree with John 102%,(extra 2 because I advocate zero program
>> > announcements here, not 1 per year)
>> >
>> > Self-restraint is a pipe dream, especially amongst 'promoters'--by
>> > definition.
>> >
>> > The pacificaannounce list exists for exactly this purpose--for program
>> > announcements. Allowing program announcements on the GRC list will drive
>> > people(and entire stations) from this list that need it as a crucial
>> > resource...and will also dilute the strength of Pacifica-announce as a
>> > clear source of what its intended for--peopel will get confused as to
>> which
>> > list to post to, etc. We all end up weaker.
>> >
>> > go here!!!:
>> > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pacificaannounce/info
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:40 AM, John Grebe via grc <
>> > grc at maillist.peak.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > People do not know how to self-restrain, for even once per year
>> postings.
>> > > Some producers are
>> > > super-promoters, and it doesn't equate to quality of programming.
>> > >
>> > > Only after subscribing for 6 months should a list member be allowed to
>> > > send a
>> > > promotion/announcement of their program.
>> > >
>> > > This is not a producers' or program directors' email list
>> specifically.
>> > > It's a general radio issues list for
>> > > grassroots radio stations. (I'm a producer-reporter host and radio
>> > > technician.) I would subscribe to a
>> > > separate list for producers and/or program directors among the GRC
>> > members.
>> > >
>> > > In case three producers of one show are all list members:  ONLY one
>> > > program announcement or
>> > > description PER SHOW (not per producer) may be sent per year, signed
>> with
>> > > the full name of the
>> > > poster and all producers involved. Violating that year-long term
>> results
>> > > in expulsion from the GRC
>> > > list. I'd want any annual limit enforced harshly. No slippery pushing
>> at
>> > > the limits by sliding program
>> > > content into emails ostensibly on other subjects. Frankly, a web link
>> in
>> > > email is enough promotion so
>> > > interested "targets" can find weekly descriptions on a web page.
>> > >
>> > > If the wrong change is made to list rules, super-promoters and
>> replies to
>> > > them will burden this
>> > > general purpose list.
>> > >
>> > > There are separate spaces for that elsewhere. If necessary, start a
>> > > separate email list--perhaps
>> > > GRC-Programs--to accommodate us producers' show descriptions or
>> > > announcements.
>> > >
>> > > Traffic on the GRC list surges and recedes at times. That's not a
>> reason
>> > > to flood it with program
>> > > announcements, where the biggest self-promoters take up the most
>> space.
>> > > This list is a wonderful
>> > > resource (and a great reference archive) to learn about obscure
>> important
>> > > radio knowledge from
>> > > decades-experienced GRC'ers--information that's not found elsewhere.
>> > > Program content
>> > > announcements, however, can be found on producers' own sites and
>> upload
>> > > sites (like Radio4All,
>> > > Pacifica's AudioPort, PRX, Content Depot, etc.).
>> > >
>> > > The worst effect of regular program announcements or descriptions on
>> this
>> > > GRC list would be that
>> > > people like me would stop reading it for all the rest of the content.
>> I
>> > > watched a local Boston area
>> > > independent radio list get smacked with programs' (an excellent
>> program,
>> > > but that's not the point)
>> > > announcements. It stanched discussion, and diluted the original
>> purpose
>> > of
>> > > the list.
>> > >
>> > > How many list member producers are we? Do we want that number of show
>> > > announcements per
>> > > week, month or year?
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > John
>> > > -
>> > > WZBC-FM Boston-Newton
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 20 Mar 2017 at 12:27, David Klann via grc wrote:
>> > >
>> > > To:     grc at maillist.peak.org
>> > > Organization:   WDRT, 91.9fm, Viroqua, WI, US
>> > > Date sent:      Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:27:26 -0500
>> > > Subject:        Re: [grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New
>> > program!
>> > > From:   David Klann via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
>> > > Send reply to:  dklann at wdrt.org
>> > >
>> > > > As the current "list cop" I support this idea! Occasionally
>> promoting
>> > > > a program seems like a reasonable idea and might help spread the
>> word
>> > > > for producers. I would hope that people know how to self-restrain.
>> :)
>> > > >
>> > > >   ~David Klann
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 03/20/2017 12:22 PM, Maria Gilardin via grc wrote:
>> > > > > Hi Jama, I remember that the prohibition was for producers like
>> > > > > Frieda and I who put out weekly shows not to flood the list with
>> > > > > each release - but I also would like to see who else is
>> distributing
>> > > > > and it was fun to read about Dave. Once a year seems fair and
>> > > > > whenever something goes into distribution for the first time, like
>> > > > > Sound and Fury.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Maria Gilardin/TUC Radio
>> > > > > PO Box 44/Calpella, CA, 95418
>> > > > > (707) 463-2654
>> > > > > http://www.tucradio.org
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
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