[grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New program!

[Kenny Lavender]

I am not a Pacifica affiliate

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Frieda Werden via grc <
grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:

> Many grc members are not Pacifica affiliates, I think.
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM Andrew Stelzer via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>
> > I agree with John 102%,(extra 2 because I advocate zero program
> > announcements here, not 1 per year)
> >
> > Self-restraint is a pipe dream, especially amongst 'promoters'--by
> > definition.
> >
> > The pacificaannounce list exists for exactly this purpose--for program
> > announcements. Allowing program announcements on the GRC list will drive
> > people(and entire stations) from this list that need it as a crucial
> > resource...and will also dilute the strength of Pacifica-announce as a
> > clear source of what its intended for--peopel will get confused as to
> which
> > list to post to, etc. We all end up weaker.
> >
> > go here!!!:
> > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pacificaannounce/info
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:40 AM, John Grebe via grc <
> > grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > People do not know how to self-restrain, for even once per year
> postings.
> > > Some producers are
> > > super-promoters, and it doesn't equate to quality of programming.
> > >
> > > Only after subscribing for 6 months should a list member be allowed to
> > > send a
> > > promotion/announcement of their program.
> > >
> > > This is not a producers' or program directors' email list specifically.
> > > It's a general radio issues list for
> > > grassroots radio stations. (I'm a producer-reporter host and radio
> > > technician.) I would subscribe to a
> > > separate list for producers and/or program directors among the GRC
> > members.
> > >
> > > In case three producers of one show are all list members:  ONLY one
> > > program announcement or
> > > description PER SHOW (not per producer) may be sent per year, signed
> with
> > > the full name of the
> > > poster and all producers involved. Violating that year-long term
> results
> > > in expulsion from the GRC
> > > list. I'd want any annual limit enforced harshly. No slippery pushing
> at
> > > the limits by sliding program
> > > content into emails ostensibly on other subjects. Frankly, a web link
> in
> > > email is enough promotion so
> > > interested "targets" can find weekly descriptions on a web page.
> > >
> > > If the wrong change is made to list rules, super-promoters and replies
> to
> > > them will burden this
> > > general purpose list.
> > >
> > > There are separate spaces for that elsewhere. If necessary, start a
> > > separate email list--perhaps
> > > GRC-Programs--to accommodate us producers' show descriptions or
> > > announcements.
> > >
> > > Traffic on the GRC list surges and recedes at times. That's not a
> reason
> > > to flood it with program
> > > announcements, where the biggest self-promoters take up the most space.
> > > This list is a wonderful
> > > resource (and a great reference archive) to learn about obscure
> important
> > > radio knowledge from
> > > decades-experienced GRC'ers--information that's not found elsewhere.
> > > Program content
> > > announcements, however, can be found on producers' own sites and upload
> > > sites (like Radio4All,
> > > Pacifica's AudioPort, PRX, Content Depot, etc.).
> > >
> > > The worst effect of regular program announcements or descriptions on
> this
> > > GRC list would be that
> > > people like me would stop reading it for all the rest of the content. I
> > > watched a local Boston area
> > > independent radio list get smacked with programs' (an excellent
> program,
> > > but that's not the point)
> > > announcements. It stanched discussion, and diluted the original purpose
> > of
> > > the list.
> > >
> > > How many list member producers are we? Do we want that number of show
> > > announcements per
> > > week, month or year?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > John
> > > -
> > > WZBC-FM Boston-Newton
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20 Mar 2017 at 12:27, David Klann via grc wrote:
> > >
> > > To:     grc at maillist.peak.org
> > > Organization:   WDRT, 91.9fm, Viroqua, WI, US
> > > Date sent:      Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:27:26 -0500
> > > Subject:        Re: [grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New
> > program!
> > > From:   David Klann via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > > Send reply to:  dklann at wdrt.org
> > >
> > > > As the current "list cop" I support this idea! Occasionally promoting
> > > > a program seems like a reasonable idea and might help spread the word
> > > > for producers. I would hope that people know how to self-restrain. :)
> > > >
> > > >   ~David Klann
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 03/20/2017 12:22 PM, Maria Gilardin via grc wrote:
> > > > > Hi Jama, I remember that the prohibition was for producers like
> > > > > Frieda and I who put out weekly shows not to flood the list with
> > > > > each release - but I also would like to see who else is
> distributing
> > > > > and it was fun to read about Dave. Once a year seems fair and
> > > > > whenever something goes into distribution for the first time, like
> > > > > Sound and Fury.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maria Gilardin/TUC Radio
> > > > > PO Box 44/Calpella, CA, 95418
> > > > > (707) 463-2654
> > > > > http://www.tucradio.org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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