[grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New program!

Wed Mar 22 16:21:52 PDT 2017

How about we have a new round of self- introductions by list members, and
each say what we do in community radio?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:51 PM David Goodman via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
wrote:

> So what is the process for making a decision on this? Obviously we don't
> have consensus. Super majority perhaps? (75% have to say yay)
>
> cheers,
> dg
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Stelzer via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>
> > you dont have be a pacifica affliiate to be on that list, and many
> programs
> > include non-audioport url links for downloading their shows in their
> posts.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Kenny Lavender <kenny at wtsq.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I am not a Pacifica affiliate
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Frieda Werden via grc <
> > > grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Many grc members are not Pacifica affiliates, I think.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM Andrew Stelzer via grc <
> > >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I agree with John 102%,(extra 2 because I advocate zero program
> > >> > announcements here, not 1 per year)
> > >> >
> > >> > Self-restraint is a pipe dream, especially amongst 'promoters'--by
> > >> > definition.
> > >> >
> > >> > The pacificaannounce list exists for exactly this purpose--for
> program
> > >> > announcements. Allowing program announcements on the GRC list will
> > drive
> > >> > people(and entire stations) from this list that need it as a crucial
> > >> > resource...and will also dilute the strength of Pacifica-announce
> as a
> > >> > clear source of what its intended for--peopel will get confused as
> to
> > >> which
> > >> > list to post to, etc. We all end up weaker.
> > >> >
> > >> > go here!!!:
> > >> > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pacificaannounce/info
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:40 AM, John Grebe via grc <
> > >> > grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > People do not know how to self-restrain, for even once per year
> > >> postings.
> > >> > > Some producers are
> > >> > > super-promoters, and it doesn't equate to quality of programming.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Only after subscribing for 6 months should a list member be
> allowed
> > to
> > >> > > send a
> > >> > > promotion/announcement of their program.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is not a producers' or program directors' email list
> > >> specifically.
> > >> > > It's a general radio issues list for
> > >> > > grassroots radio stations. (I'm a producer-reporter host and radio
> > >> > > technician.) I would subscribe to a
> > >> > > separate list for producers and/or program directors among the GRC
> > >> > members.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In case three producers of one show are all list members:  ONLY
> one
> > >> > > program announcement or
> > >> > > description PER SHOW (not per producer) may be sent per year,
> signed
> > >> with
> > >> > > the full name of the
> > >> > > poster and all producers involved. Violating that year-long term
> > >> results
> > >> > > in expulsion from the GRC
> > >> > > list. I'd want any annual limit enforced harshly. No slippery
> > pushing
> > >> at
> > >> > > the limits by sliding program
> > >> > > content into emails ostensibly on other subjects. Frankly, a web
> > link
> > >> in
> > >> > > email is enough promotion so
> > >> > > interested "targets" can find weekly descriptions on a web page.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If the wrong change is made to list rules, super-promoters and
> > >> replies to
> > >> > > them will burden this
> > >> > > general purpose list.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > There are separate spaces for that elsewhere. If necessary, start
> a
> > >> > > separate email list--perhaps
> > >> > > GRC-Programs--to accommodate us producers' show descriptions or
> > >> > > announcements.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Traffic on the GRC list surges and recedes at times. That's not a
> > >> reason
> > >> > > to flood it with program
> > >> > > announcements, where the biggest self-promoters take up the most
> > >> space.
> > >> > > This list is a wonderful
> > >> > > resource (and a great reference archive) to learn about obscure
> > >> important
> > >> > > radio knowledge from
> > >> > > decades-experienced GRC'ers--information that's not found
> elsewhere.
> > >> > > Program content
> > >> > > announcements, however, can be found on producers' own sites and
> > >> upload
> > >> > > sites (like Radio4All,
> > >> > > Pacifica's AudioPort, PRX, Content Depot, etc.).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The worst effect of regular program announcements or descriptions
> on
> > >> this
> > >> > > GRC list would be that
> > >> > > people like me would stop reading it for all the rest of the
> > content.
> > >> I
> > >> > > watched a local Boston area
> > >> > > independent radio list get smacked with programs' (an excellent
> > >> program,
> > >> > > but that's not the point)
> > >> > > announcements. It stanched discussion, and diluted the original
> > >> purpose
> > >> > of
> > >> > > the list.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > How many list member producers are we? Do we want that number of
> > show
> > >> > > announcements per
> > >> > > week, month or year?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Best regards,
> > >> > > John
> > >> > > -
> > >> > > WZBC-FM Boston-Newton
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 20 Mar 2017 at 12:27, David Klann via grc wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > To:     grc at maillist.peak.org
> > >> > > Organization:   WDRT, 91.9fm, Viroqua, WI, US
> > >> > > Date sent:      Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:27:26 -0500
> > >> > > Subject:        Re: [grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New
> > >> > program!
> > >> > > From:   David Klann via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > >> > > Send reply to:  dklann at wdrt.org
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > As the current "list cop" I support this idea! Occasionally
> > >> promoting
> > >> > > > a program seems like a reasonable idea and might help spread the
> > >> word
> > >> > > > for producers. I would hope that people know how to
> self-restrain.
> > >> :)
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >   ~David Klann
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 03/20/2017 12:22 PM, Maria Gilardin via grc wrote:
> > >> > > > > Hi Jama, I remember that the prohibition was for producers
> like
> > >> > > > > Frieda and I who put out weekly shows not to flood the list
> with
> > >> > > > > each release - but I also would like to see who else is
> > >> distributing
> > >> > > > > and it was fun to read about Dave. Once a year seems fair and
> > >> > > > > whenever something goes into distribution for the first time,
> > like
> > >> > > > > Sound and Fury.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Maria Gilardin/TUC Radio
> > >> > > > > PO Box 44/Calpella, CA, 95418
> > >> > > > > (707) 463-2654
> > >> > > > > http://www.tucradio.org
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
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