[grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New program!

Wed Mar 22 16:58:36 PDT 2017

On 3/22/17 4:21 PM, Frieda Werden via grc wrote:
> How about we have a new round of self- introductions by list members, and
> each say what we do in community radio?
Hello, my name is Jeff and I'm addicted to community radio.    

I agree with Andrew, this list is great when the focus avoids Pacifica
infighting and program promotion, and I always prefer self-policing.

>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:51 PM David Goodman via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
> wrote:
>
>> So what is the process for making a decision on this? Obviously we don't
>> have consensus. Super majority perhaps? (75% have to say yay)
>>
>> cheers,
>> dg
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Stelzer via grc <
>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>>
>>> you dont have be a pacifica affliiate to be on that list, and many
>> programs
>>> include non-audioport url links for downloading their shows in their
>> posts.
>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Kenny Lavender <kenny at wtsq.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not a Pacifica affiliate
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Frieda Werden via grc <
>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Many grc members are not Pacifica affiliates, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM Andrew Stelzer via grc <
>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with John 102%,(extra 2 because I advocate zero program
>>>>>> announcements here, not 1 per year)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Self-restraint is a pipe dream, especially amongst 'promoters'--by
>>>>>> definition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The pacificaannounce list exists for exactly this purpose--for
>> program
>>>>>> announcements. Allowing program announcements on the GRC list will
>>> drive
>>>>>> people(and entire stations) from this list that need it as a crucial
>>>>>> resource...and will also dilute the strength of Pacifica-announce
>> as a
>>>>>> clear source of what its intended for--peopel will get confused as
>> to
>>>>> which
>>>>>> list to post to, etc. We all end up weaker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> go here!!!:
>>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pacificaannounce/info
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:40 AM, John Grebe via grc <
>>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People do not know how to self-restrain, for even once per year
>>>>> postings.
>>>>>>> Some producers are
>>>>>>> super-promoters, and it doesn't equate to quality of programming.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only after subscribing for 6 months should a list member be
>> allowed
>>> to
>>>>>>> send a
>>>>>>> promotion/announcement of their program.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not a producers' or program directors' email list
>>>>> specifically.
>>>>>>> It's a general radio issues list for
>>>>>>> grassroots radio stations. (I'm a producer-reporter host and radio
>>>>>>> technician.) I would subscribe to a
>>>>>>> separate list for producers and/or program directors among the GRC
>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>> In case three producers of one show are all list members:  ONLY
>> one
>>>>>>> program announcement or
>>>>>>> description PER SHOW (not per producer) may be sent per year,
>> signed
>>>>> with
>>>>>>> the full name of the
>>>>>>> poster and all producers involved. Violating that year-long term
>>>>> results
>>>>>>> in expulsion from the GRC
>>>>>>> list. I'd want any annual limit enforced harshly. No slippery
>>> pushing
>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the limits by sliding program
>>>>>>> content into emails ostensibly on other subjects. Frankly, a web
>>> link
>>>>> in
>>>>>>> email is enough promotion so
>>>>>>> interested "targets" can find weekly descriptions on a web page.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the wrong change is made to list rules, super-promoters and
>>>>> replies to
>>>>>>> them will burden this
>>>>>>> general purpose list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are separate spaces for that elsewhere. If necessary, start
>> a
>>>>>>> separate email list--perhaps
>>>>>>> GRC-Programs--to accommodate us producers' show descriptions or
>>>>>>> announcements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Traffic on the GRC list surges and recedes at times. That's not a
>>>>> reason
>>>>>>> to flood it with program
>>>>>>> announcements, where the biggest self-promoters take up the most
>>>>> space.
>>>>>>> This list is a wonderful
>>>>>>> resource (and a great reference archive) to learn about obscure
>>>>> important
>>>>>>> radio knowledge from
>>>>>>> decades-experienced GRC'ers--information that's not found
>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>> Program content
>>>>>>> announcements, however, can be found on producers' own sites and
>>>>> upload
>>>>>>> sites (like Radio4All,
>>>>>>> Pacifica's AudioPort, PRX, Content Depot, etc.).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The worst effect of regular program announcements or descriptions
>> on
>>>>> this
>>>>>>> GRC list would be that
>>>>>>> people like me would stop reading it for all the rest of the
>>> content.
>>>>> I
>>>>>>> watched a local Boston area
>>>>>>> independent radio list get smacked with programs' (an excellent
>>>>> program,
>>>>>>> but that's not the point)
>>>>>>> announcements. It stanched discussion, and diluted the original
>>>>> purpose
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many list member producers are we? Do we want that number of
>>> show
>>>>>>> announcements per
>>>>>>> week, month or year?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> -
>>>>>>> WZBC-FM Boston-Newton
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20 Mar 2017 at 12:27, David Klann via grc wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To:     grc at maillist.peak.org
>>>>>>> Organization:   WDRT, 91.9fm, Viroqua, WI, US
>>>>>>> Date sent:      Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:27:26 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject:        Re: [grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New
>>>>>> program!
>>>>>>> From:   David Klann via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
>>>>>>> Send reply to:  dklann at wdrt.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As the current "list cop" I support this idea! Occasionally
>>>>> promoting
>>>>>>>> a program seems like a reasonable idea and might help spread the
>>>>> word
>>>>>>>> for producers. I would hope that people know how to
>> self-restrain.
>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>   ~David Klann
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 03/20/2017 12:22 PM, Maria Gilardin via grc wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Jama, I remember that the prohibition was for producers
>> like
>>>>>>>>> Frieda and I who put out weekly shows not to flood the list
>> with
>>>>>>>>> each release - but I also would like to see who else is
>>>>> distributing
>>>>>>>>> and it was fun to read about Dave. Once a year seems fair and
>>>>>>>>> whenever something goes into distribution for the first time,
>>> like
>>>>>>>>> Sound and Fury.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maria Gilardin/TUC Radio
>>>>>>>>> PO Box 44/Calpella, CA, 95418
>>>>>>>>> (707) 463-2654
>>>>>>>>> http://www.tucradio.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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