[grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New program!

Wed Mar 22 19:29:49 PDT 2017

I'm Program Director for the smallest of 5 community LPFM stations
<http://lpfm.madisonwi.us/> in the Greater Madison WI area. I'm in favor of
one or two new programs being introduced per year to this list by
individuals involved in producing them. I think the messages should be
brief with a link to more info.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Jeff Shaw via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
wrote:

> On 3/22/17 4:21 PM, Frieda Werden via grc wrote:
> > How about we have a new round of self- introductions by list members, and
> > each say what we do in community radio?
> Hello, my name is Jeff and I'm addicted to community radio.
>
> I agree with Andrew, this list is great when the focus avoids Pacifica
> infighting and program promotion, and I always prefer self-policing.
>
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:51 PM David Goodman via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> So what is the process for making a decision on this? Obviously we don't
> >> have consensus. Super majority perhaps? (75% have to say yay)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> dg
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Stelzer via grc <
> >> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> you dont have be a pacifica affliiate to be on that list, and many
> >> programs
> >>> include non-audioport url links for downloading their shows in their
> >> posts.
> >>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Kenny Lavender <kenny at wtsq.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am not a Pacifica affiliate
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Frieda Werden via grc <
> >>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Many grc members are not Pacifica affiliates, I think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 11:04 AM Andrew Stelzer via grc <
> >>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I agree with John 102%,(extra 2 because I advocate zero program
> >>>>>> announcements here, not 1 per year)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Self-restraint is a pipe dream, especially amongst 'promoters'--by
> >>>>>> definition.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The pacificaannounce list exists for exactly this purpose--for
> >> program
> >>>>>> announcements. Allowing program announcements on the GRC list will
> >>> drive
> >>>>>> people(and entire stations) from this list that need it as a crucial
> >>>>>> resource...and will also dilute the strength of Pacifica-announce
> >> as a
> >>>>>> clear source of what its intended for--peopel will get confused as
> >> to
> >>>>> which
> >>>>>> list to post to, etc. We all end up weaker.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> go here!!!:
> >>>>>> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/pacificaannounce/info
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 10:40 AM, John Grebe via grc <
> >>>>>> grc at maillist.peak.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> People do not know how to self-restrain, for even once per year
> >>>>> postings.
> >>>>>>> Some producers are
> >>>>>>> super-promoters, and it doesn't equate to quality of programming.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Only after subscribing for 6 months should a list member be
> >> allowed
> >>> to
> >>>>>>> send a
> >>>>>>> promotion/announcement of their program.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is not a producers' or program directors' email list
> >>>>> specifically.
> >>>>>>> It's a general radio issues list for
> >>>>>>> grassroots radio stations. (I'm a producer-reporter host and radio
> >>>>>>> technician.) I would subscribe to a
> >>>>>>> separate list for producers and/or program directors among the GRC
> >>>>>> members.
> >>>>>>> In case three producers of one show are all list members:  ONLY
> >> one
> >>>>>>> program announcement or
> >>>>>>> description PER SHOW (not per producer) may be sent per year,
> >> signed
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>> the full name of the
> >>>>>>> poster and all producers involved. Violating that year-long term
> >>>>> results
> >>>>>>> in expulsion from the GRC
> >>>>>>> list. I'd want any annual limit enforced harshly. No slippery
> >>> pushing
> >>>>> at
> >>>>>>> the limits by sliding program
> >>>>>>> content into emails ostensibly on other subjects. Frankly, a web
> >>> link
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>>> email is enough promotion so
> >>>>>>> interested "targets" can find weekly descriptions on a web page.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If the wrong change is made to list rules, super-promoters and
> >>>>> replies to
> >>>>>>> them will burden this
> >>>>>>> general purpose list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are separate spaces for that elsewhere. If necessary, start
> >> a
> >>>>>>> separate email list--perhaps
> >>>>>>> GRC-Programs--to accommodate us producers' show descriptions or
> >>>>>>> announcements.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Traffic on the GRC list surges and recedes at times. That's not a
> >>>>> reason
> >>>>>>> to flood it with program
> >>>>>>> announcements, where the biggest self-promoters take up the most
> >>>>> space.
> >>>>>>> This list is a wonderful
> >>>>>>> resource (and a great reference archive) to learn about obscure
> >>>>> important
> >>>>>>> radio knowledge from
> >>>>>>> decades-experienced GRC'ers--information that's not found
> >> elsewhere.
> >>>>>>> Program content
> >>>>>>> announcements, however, can be found on producers' own sites and
> >>>>> upload
> >>>>>>> sites (like Radio4All,
> >>>>>>> Pacifica's AudioPort, PRX, Content Depot, etc.).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The worst effect of regular program announcements or descriptions
> >> on
> >>>>> this
> >>>>>>> GRC list would be that
> >>>>>>> people like me would stop reading it for all the rest of the
> >>> content.
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>>> watched a local Boston area
> >>>>>>> independent radio list get smacked with programs' (an excellent
> >>>>> program,
> >>>>>>> but that's not the point)
> >>>>>>> announcements. It stanched discussion, and diluted the original
> >>>>> purpose
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> the list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How many list member producers are we? Do we want that number of
> >>> show
> >>>>>>> announcements per
> >>>>>>> week, month or year?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>> John
> >>>>>>> -
> >>>>>>> WZBC-FM Boston-Newton
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 20 Mar 2017 at 12:27, David Klann via grc wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To:     grc at maillist.peak.org
> >>>>>>> Organization:   WDRT, 91.9fm, Viroqua, WI, US
> >>>>>>> Date sent:      Mon, 20 Mar 2017 12:27:26 -0500
> >>>>>>> Subject:        Re: [grc] Will you indulge me this one appeal? New
> >>>>>> program!
> >>>>>>> From:   David Klann via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
> >>>>>>> Send reply to:  dklann at wdrt.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As the current "list cop" I support this idea! Occasionally
> >>>>> promoting
> >>>>>>>> a program seems like a reasonable idea and might help spread the
> >>>>> word
> >>>>>>>> for producers. I would hope that people know how to
> >> self-restrain.
> >>>>> :)
> >>>>>>>>   ~David Klann
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 03/20/2017 12:22 PM, Maria Gilardin via grc wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jama, I remember that the prohibition was for producers
> >> like
> >>>>>>>>> Frieda and I who put out weekly shows not to flood the list
> >> with
> >>>>>>>>> each release - but I also would like to see who else is
> >>>>> distributing
> >>>>>>>>> and it was fun to read about Dave. Once a year seems fair and
> >>>>>>>>> whenever something goes into distribution for the first time,
> >>> like
> >>>>>>>>> Sound and Fury.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maria Gilardin/TUC Radio
> >>>>>>>>> PO Box 44/Calpella, CA, 95418
> >>>>>>>>> (707) 463-2654
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.tucradio.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>> Frieda Werden, Series Producer
> >>>>> WINGS: Women's International News Gathering Service www.wings.org
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