[grc] Programmers promoting personal Patreon page on their LPFM show

[Paul Hertz]

Don’t those specific conditions include the requirement that the third
party for whom funds are being raised is a registered nonprofit? That by
itself rules out this sort of behavior.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM Michelle Bradley via grc <
grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:

> I have to agree, this is very problematic.  It can also be seen as third
> party fundraising, which is allowed under specific conditions and all
> activity has to be logged.
>
> Using the air shift for a specific personal gain can definitely be seen
> as "plugola" as Paul suggests.
>
> The air staff should be promoting THE STATION.  They should only be
> permitted to give a fundraising page on the official station website.
> Airstaff needs to remember that without those donations coming on the
> air, the station would not be able to remain on the air and if the
> station goes, then so does their "show".    If the (volunteer) air staff
> can't be supportive of efforts to support the station, then they are a
> burden and should be shown the door.
>
> =m
>
>
>
>
> On 5/2/2018 9:21 AM, Bill Simmon via grc wrote:
> > Interesting. The wording of the ask is problematic because it is pretty
> > clearly within the "call to action" sort of language that is prohibited
> for
> > noncommercial stations. It's interesting that they don't actually say the
> > Patreon subscriptions support the radio show -- like what if it was to
> > support the creative work that the DJs do generally, and not just limited
> > to the show? The policies at our station would probably allow for it if
> it
> > was less direct, like "We do a lot of cool creative stuff and we are
> > supported in this effort by members of our community. You can learn more
> at
> > patreon.org/ourgreatshow!"
> >
> > The language "for as little as $1/month" is definitely a no-no. That
> would
> > get someone kicked off the air at our station if there was any pushback
> > after being told not to do it. Good luck!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > --
> > Bill Simmon
> > Director of Media Services
> > Vermont Community Access Media
> >
> > 208 Flynn Avenue #2G
> > Burlington, VT 05401
> > 802.651.9692
> >
> > vermontcam.org
> > facebook.com/vermontcam
> > twitter.com/vermontcam
> > vimeo.com/vermontcam
> > youtube.com/vermontcam
> >
> > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:22 AM, David Goodman via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org
> >> wrote:
> >> Well, you've discovered the holy grail for every independent producer
> and
> >> the pandora's box for every station manager. Here's the thing: you run a
> >> non-commercial station, right? When you fund raise over the air and
> offer
> >> premiums, the STATION as a whole benefits, yes? Who is benefiting from
> >> these calls to "sign up;" just them, correct?
> >>
> >> Your organization should have by-laws outlining what it means to be
> >> non-commercial.
> >>
> >> Good luck. Asking people to stop doing something is never easy.
> >>
> >> cheers, dg
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Danny via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> We have new programmers that aired this the other day on our LPFM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "If you would like to support our creative endeavors and the expansion
> of
> >>> our offerings, consider subscribing to our Patreon at
> >>> Patreon.com/[redacted]. You can subscribe for as little as $1/month and
> >> we
> >>> have cool rewards available."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It seems to me this is problematic on multiple levels like FCC rules,
> >>> non-profit status and just setting a horrible precedent for programmers
> >> to
> >>> all start directly monetizing their shows.  And FWIW, they flipped out
> >> when
> >>> we asked them to stop doing this, which strongly suggests this is
> central
> >>> to
> >>> their show and to me smacks of airing an infomercial at best.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts???
> >>>
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