[grc] Programmers promoting personal Patreon page on their LPFM show

Wed May 2 10:55:24 PDT 2018

Hi y'all,

This is the document we most referred to when developing this section of
our handbook, training, and volunteer contract. Upon incorporation of any
such policy into your handbook, they recommend having every volunteer and
staff member sign acknowledging that they've read it in full, understand it
in full, and agree to follow the policy.

https://www.pillsburylaw.com/images/content/2/7/v2/2777/4233B569BFE3D3788FEF729A23518CF0.pdf

Keith
KZSC Santa Cruz

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Paul Hertz via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
wrote:

> Don’t those specific conditions include the requirement that the third
> party for whom funds are being raised is a registered nonprofit? That by
> itself rules out this sort of behavior.
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 11:27 AM Michelle Bradley via grc <
> grc at maillist.peak.org> wrote:
>
> > I have to agree, this is very problematic.  It can also be seen as third
> > party fundraising, which is allowed under specific conditions and all
> > activity has to be logged.
> >
> > Using the air shift for a specific personal gain can definitely be seen
> > as "plugola" as Paul suggests.
> >
> > The air staff should be promoting THE STATION.  They should only be
> > permitted to give a fundraising page on the official station website.
> > Airstaff needs to remember that without those donations coming on the
> > air, the station would not be able to remain on the air and if the
> > station goes, then so does their "show".    If the (volunteer) air staff
> > can't be supportive of efforts to support the station, then they are a
> > burden and should be shown the door.
> >
> > =m
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/2/2018 9:21 AM, Bill Simmon via grc wrote:
> > > Interesting. The wording of the ask is problematic because it is pretty
> > > clearly within the "call to action" sort of language that is prohibited
> > for
> > > noncommercial stations. It's interesting that they don't actually say
> the
> > > Patreon subscriptions support the radio show -- like what if it was to
> > > support the creative work that the DJs do generally, and not just
> limited
> > > to the show? The policies at our station would probably allow for it if
> > it
> > > was less direct, like "We do a lot of cool creative stuff and we are
> > > supported in this effort by members of our community. You can learn
> more
> > at
> > > patreon.org/ourgreatshow!"
> > >
> > > The language "for as little as $1/month" is definitely a no-no. That
> > would
> > > get someone kicked off the air at our station if there was any pushback
> > > after being told not to do it. Good luck!
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill Simmon
> > > Director of Media Services
> > > Vermont Community Access Media
> > >
> > > 208 Flynn Avenue #2G
> > > Burlington, VT 05401
> > > 802.651.9692
> > >
> > > vermontcam.org
> > > facebook.com/vermontcam
> > > twitter.com/vermontcam
> > > vimeo.com/vermontcam
> > > youtube.com/vermontcam
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 8:22 AM, David Goodman via grc <
> > grc at maillist.peak.org
> > >> wrote:
> > >> Well, you've discovered the holy grail for every independent producer
> > and
> > >> the pandora's box for every station manager. Here's the thing: you
> run a
> > >> non-commercial station, right? When you fund raise over the air and
> > offer
> > >> premiums, the STATION as a whole benefits, yes? Who is benefiting from
> > >> these calls to "sign up;" just them, correct?
> > >>
> > >> Your organization should have by-laws outlining what it means to be
> > >> non-commercial.
> > >>
> > >> Good luck. Asking people to stop doing something is never easy.
> > >>
> > >> cheers, dg
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >> utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>
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> > >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 7:03 AM, Danny via grc <grc at maillist.peak.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> We have new programmers that aired this the other day on our LPFM:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> "If you would like to support our creative endeavors and the
> expansion
> > of
> > >>> our offerings, consider subscribing to our Patreon at
> > >>> Patreon.com/[redacted]. You can subscribe for as little as $1/month
> and
> > >> we
> > >>> have cool rewards available."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> It seems to me this is problematic on multiple levels like FCC rules,
> > >>> non-profit status and just setting a horrible precedent for
> programmers
> > >> to
> > >>> all start directly monetizing their shows.  And FWIW, they flipped
> out
> > >> when
> > >>> we asked them to stop doing this, which strongly suggests this is
> > central
> > >>> to
> > >>> their show and to me smacks of airing an infomercial at best.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thoughts???
> > >>>
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